I think it's time to activate Fournette

[boyst]

53 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

For me, it’s simply that i’m not all that impressed with Murray.

 

He is there to be the heavy, but, for example on Sunday, he gets stonewalled and needs the line to push him in. He also dropped that wide open pass in the KC game, and unlike Cook’s drop, it wasn’t raining.

 

And on a night where Cook and Johnson averaged over 6 yards per carry, Murray averaged his typical 2 yards.

 

Im just not impressed with him.

 

That being said, the coaching staff sees what Fournette is currently capable of in practice, so perhaps they are not impressed with him either. 

Murray is what we need against the Chargers assuming we can get a lead. He is big and punishing with ball security. A team that is disenfranchised like they are does not want to take a beating for nothing.

 

Murray, Fornette, and Cook would be my choice. Phillips being inactive means an open spot for Fornette.

 

Fornette gets game time action and to see if he is worth kicking the tires. I am not expecting much or him to make a difference beyond anyone else on the roster (Johnson, Murray). I am deeply saddened we lost Harris because i think Harris, Murray and Cook would be potent. Next year Harris, Cook, Johnson will be solid.

 

btw, who is Nyheim Hines?

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

For me, it’s simply that i’m not all that impressed with Murray.

 

He is there to be the heavy, but, for example on Sunday, he gets stonewalled and needs the line to push him in. He also dropped that wide open pass in the KC game, and unlike Cook’s drop, it wasn’t raining.

 

And on a night where Cook and Johnson averaged over 6 yards per carry, Murray averaged his typical 2 yards.

 

Im just not impressed with him.

 

That being said, the coaching staff sees what Fournette is currently capable of in practice, so perhaps they are not impressed with him either. 

Who knows how Fournette looks in practice?  But I do agree Murray is our weakest RB.  You gotta limit his touches like Gabe. Addition by subtraction.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

For me, it’s simply that i’m not all that impressed with Murray.

 

He is there to be the heavy, but, for example on Sunday, he gets stonewalled and needs the line to push him in. He also dropped that wide open pass in the KC game, and unlike Cook’s drop, it wasn’t raining.

 

And on a night where Cook and Johnson averaged over 6 yards per carry, Murray averaged his typical 2 yards.

 

Im just not impressed with him.

 

That being said, the coaching staff sees what Fournette is currently capable of in practice, so perhaps they are not impressed with him either. 

Murray serves a purpose.  He typically is able to get tough running yards and is a good blocker (usually).  They can also trust him to protect the football (though he almost dropped an easy pass in KC).  

[peterpan]

Has there been an injury update on Ty Johnson?  My reason for resurrecting this thread was his injury.  He has been exceptionally with his touches, and I don’t think Murray would be even close to his production 

[mrags]

45 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Has there been an injury update on Ty Johnson?  My reason for resurrecting this thread was his injury.  He has been exceptionally with his touches, and I don’t think Murray would be even close to his production 

Johnson has been great. Let’s hope he doesn’t drop off with the shoulder. 
 

part of me would sit Murray for Lenny but it’s obvious he means a lot to this team and locker room and don’t see him being benched anytime soon 

[Mr. WEO]

If Fournette was in shape he would be activated

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

He had over 1000 scrimmage yards, over 70 catches, and 6 TDs last year.

of you watched all of those games  as I did, you’d know he ran into a brick wall throughout the season, and mostly because the Bucs O Line was atrocious last year.  He looks slower than three years ago.

 

listen, I live in Tampa so I watch every Bills and Bucs game.  All 17 of them.  Stays can be deceiving.  Can you say you watched all 17 complete games,

not highlights.

 

My point is more about the speed of

Ty Johnson and the explosiveness of Cook, as well as the all purpose yards flr

him.

 
The bills don’t typically activate that many RB’s in game day.  Cook, Ty and Murray fills all of their needs.  Fournette was brought in as depth and insurance.  He now knows the playbook, and maybe they activate him in place of Murray for a game.

 

On 11/29/2023 at 1:34 PM, Billsfan1972 said:

And this is why this site is busy and people are so mad.

 

Next game pretty much will tell us all.  

 

And yes even a loss and we'll all look next to Dallas.😉

 

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

For me, it’s simply that i’m not all that impressed with Murray.

 

He is there to be the heavy, but, for example on Sunday, he gets stonewalled and needs the line to push him in. He also dropped that wide open pass in the KC game, and unlike Cook’s drop, it wasn’t raining.

 

And on a night where Cook and Johnson averaged over 6 yards per carry, Murray averaged his typical 2 yards.

 

Im just not impressed with him.

 

That being said, the coaching staff sees what Fournette is currently capable of in practice, so perhaps they are not impressed with him either. 

There is a place and inactivate Murray.  I’ll bite on that Einstein.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Who knows how Fournette looks in practice?  But I do agree Murray is our weakest RB.  You gotta limit his touches like Gabe. Addition by subtraction.

 

Murray has diminished performance over the season. I don't trust him as before. Ty Johnson passed him by. I have no idea what Fournette still has left.

[CEN-CAL17]

28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Murray has diminished performance over the season. I don't trust him as before. Ty Johnson passed him by. I have no idea what Fournette still has left.

But I kind of want to see what he has before the playoffs and definitely before we potentially play Miami 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

of you watched all of those games  as I did, you’d know he ran into a brick wall throughout the season, and mostly because the Bucs O Line was atrocious last year.  He looks slower than three years ago.

 

listen, I live in Tampa so I watch every Bills and Bucs game.  All 17 of them.  Stays can be deceiving.  Can you say you watched all 17 complete games,

not highlights.

 

My point is more about the speed of

Ty Johnson and the explosiveness of Cook, as well as the all purpose yards flr

him.

 
The bills don’t typically activate that many RB’s in game day.  Cook, Ty and Murray fills all of their needs.  Fournette was brought in as depth and insurance.  He now knows the playbook, and maybe they activate him in place of Murray for a game.

 

 

There is a place and inactivate Murray.  I’ll bite on that Einstein.

After you said you did not understand the fascination with Fournette, I pointed out stats showing good production last year. What I did not do was claim to watch all 17 Bucs games or even argue Fournette should be active. But your point that he ran behind an atrocious line last year makes his production more impressive. Wouldn’t need him to be as fast as he was 3 years ago, just to use his size and physicality, catch out of the backfield, and block. Agree that he’d likely replace Murray at this point.

[machine gun kelly]

6 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

After you said you did not understand the fascination with Fournette, I pointed out stats showing good production last year. What I did not do was claim to watch all 17 Bucs games or even argue Fournette should be active. But your point that he ran behind an atrocious line last year makes his production more impressive. Wouldn’t need him to be as fast as he was 3 years ago, just to use his size and physicality, catch out of the backfield, and block. Agree that he’d likely replace Murray at this point.

Hey, John as I mentioned to someone else if you’re suggesting activating him and placing Murray on the PS and replace his duties on goal line and pass pro, ok.  You can’t have four active.  Cook is the primary, Ty should be active for his speed, and Murray has been used for what I mention above.  If you want to swap, ok.  They won’t keep four active.  You just have to look at historicals for the McBeane era.

[Since1981]

Sure would be nice to run a Fournette for two quarters of garbage time this week, give our #1’s a semi bye week!!

[Matt_In_NH]

If I understand it correctly Fournette is on the PS.  He can be "called up" three times and he could be signed to the 53.  Either way he would now add to salary cap vs staying on the PS.   In either of those events, that does not necessarily get him on the field, they would then need to make him one of the 48 active players on gameday.   Semantics I guess, but I don't think people understand what they are talking about when they say "activate" him.   I get people want him to play, but I don't really get why, what hole is he filling?  It is literally a just a "I know the name" thing.

[BuffaninSarasota]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

If Fournette was in shape he would be activated

this literally makes no sense. The Bills are not going to keep anyone on the PS who is not in shape. It’s why they have a strength/conditioning/training staff. If someone on the PS was somehow not in shape after weeks on the PS, that player would have already been shown the door.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Hey, John as I mentioned to someone else if you’re suggesting activating him and placing Murray on the PS and replace his duties on goal line and pass pro, ok.  You can’t have four active.  Cook is the primary, Ty should be active for his speed, and Murray has been used for what I mention above.  If you want to swap, ok.  They won’t keep four active.  You just have to look at historicals for the McBeane era.

All I was originally suggesting is that Bills fans may want to see Fournette in action based on his decent production last season, which you pointed out was behind an atrocious offensive line.

 

Agreed on your point though, even if I might disagree with McDermott’s history of only keeping 3 active. Although I do think the Bills can and have kept 4 active before, albeit the 4th was usually Taiwan Jones for ST.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

this literally makes no sense. The Bills are not going to keep anyone on the PS who is not in shape. It’s why they have a strength/conditioning/training staff. If someone on the PS was somehow not in shape after weeks on the PS, that player would have already been shown the door.

 

Why can't he literally get on the field?  He's not some undrafted rookie, doing whatever it takes to move up--he's an aging vet they pulled off a couch.   You think he's going to be grinding with the S and C staff while on the PS?  

 

lol.

[mrags]

So just a little while ago, McDermott on WGR in an interview with Sal C he said that Cook missed a day due to illness. 
 

im not saying he will be out and expect him to miss time. But because of that, it makes me wonder if maybe they activate Lenny just in case. 

[Big Turk]

with the way Ty Johnson has been playing Fournette only gets elevated with an injury. Honestly same with Harris...Johnson has been too good to take him off the field...every time he touches the ball something good happens.

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why can't he literally get on the field?  He's not some undrafted rookie, doing whatever it takes to move up--he's an aging vet they pulled off a couch.   You think he's going to be grinding with the S and C staff while on the PS?  

 

lol.

again, someone not in shape and not working hard to get activated is not going to stay on the PS. Don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

 

we don't know otherwise why he has not been active. He said he's ready and knows the playbook.

Edited December 21, 2023 by BuffaninSarasota
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[Dillenger4]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

So just a little while ago, McDermott on WGR in an interview with Sal C he said that Cook missed a day due to illness. 
 

im not saying he will be out and expect him to miss time. But because of that, it makes me wonder if maybe they activate Lenny just in case. 

My thoughts too. Cook being sick and Ty having a shoulder injury. We may need Lenny and if so - I bet he pounds the Bolts\. Then we have him for the playoffs. Oh boy, with him and Ty and Cook.... look out!