PromoTheRobot Posted January 24 Posted January 24 On 12/6/2023 at 5:39 AM, SoMAn said: summation I think we need to stop going "all in" on big names and build with younger players 1 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted January 24 Posted January 24 11 hours ago, QCity said: This might be the most mindless cap breakdown I've ever seen. He's essentially just reading Spotrac to you. Every single team in the league can create cap space by restructuring 6 or 7 players, and then releasing another 10 players and pretending their replacements will cost nothing. If anyone is serious about learning more about cap management this is the last video you want to watch. It's nonsensical comfort food. Come on, just keep doing what the New Orleans Saints have been doing. You know that team who has missed the playoffs 3 straight years (in a weak division) and the same team that has won 1 playoff game in the last 5 years! It's brilliant. 1 Quote
SoMAn Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think we need to stop going "all in" on big names and build with younger players Not sure what that means. Other than Von Miller, they've pretty much relied on players they've developed through the draft and 'prove it deal' free agents. Stef was effectively a draft pick, though the salary is too high to really look at it in that light. Von was a gamble, with the Bills believing they were close and he could be the missing piece of the D-line that would pressure the QB. Most of us were excited at the time by that anticipated impact. Otherwise, there hasn't been a lot of money thrown at free agents. It would be nice if they could find ways to re-sign players they've developed who are just starting to hit their stride. e.g. Epenesa, Rousseau, etc 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted January 24 Posted January 24 22 minutes ago, SoMAn said: Not sure what that means. Other than Von Miller, they've pretty much relied on players they've developed through the draft and 'prove it deal' free agents. Stef was effectively a draft pick, though the salary is too high to really look at it in that light. Von was a gamble, with the Bills believing they were close and he could be the missing piece of the D-line that would pressure the QB. Most of us were excited at the time by that anticipated impact. Otherwise, there hasn't been a lot of money thrown at free agents. It would be nice if they could find ways to re-sign players they've developed who are just starting to hit their stride. e.g. Epenesa, Rousseau, etc That's exactly what I meant. Rolling the dice on expensive veterans. How many times do we read posts here about going "all in" or " swing for the fences"? People fall in love with the idea of getting a superstar but ignore the real pitfalls like injury or a drop-off in performance because they are over 30. I feel chasing performance is a losing strategy. By that I mean signing someone who had a good year or two, betting they will continue to be that good with your team. I'd rather see us find the emerging gems on their way up. Can you scout for those players or is it all a crap shoot? Might be, but you'll be able to move on from those players easier if they don't work out. Quote
SoMAn Posted January 24 Posted January 24 46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That's exactly what I meant. Rolling the dice on expensive veterans. How many times do we read posts here about going "all in" or " swing for the fences"? People fall in love with the idea of getting a superstar but ignore the real pitfalls like injury or a drop-off in performance because they are over 30. I feel chasing performance is a losing strategy. By that I mean signing someone who had a good year or two, betting they will continue to be that good with your team. I'd rather see us find the emerging gems on their way up. Can you scout for those players or is it all a crap shoot? Might be, but you'll be able to move on from those players easier if they don't work out. Right. Part of the Patriot’s strategy during their dynasty run was letting go of players with escalating salaries and declining impact, regardless of how much of a name they’d been in recent years. They were able to identify when a player had peaked and move on, rather than hope for more output. As a result they were often able to parlay their FA losses into compensation draft picks. They never got too emotionally attached to the point it became detrimental. 3 2 Quote
Maine-iac Posted January 24 Posted January 24 13 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Bills already did that. Signed KJ Hamler. good signing if injuries haven’t sapped his speed. You say already did that like I hadn't posted this weeks before they signed Hamler. Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 24 Posted January 24 I think we need to take our medicine next yr and not open up to much cap space just enough to get under the cap for the draft and cheap dust settle free agents. No need to double down on Diggs deal or anyone else this regime made there bed now they must sleep in it. Extensions would be fine for players that are still arrow up type guys but other then that we need to be frugal next season. 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 24 Posted January 24 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think we need to stop going "all in" on big names and build with younger players Agreed, especially for 2024. I was for taking the big swing on Von in 2022. It hasn't worked, and it's now time to take our medicine. It doesn't have to mean we are out of contention, but it's time for a youth movement. 1 Quote
Cubanmist 1 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 12/5/2023 at 11:35 PM, Beck Water said: I dunno if the cap is a myth or the cap isn't a myth, but the Bills have said they want Hines to play for them next season. Hines has said he expects to play for the Bills next season. Hines didn't fight losing his salary of $2.5M and the Bills didn't try to recover his $500k signing bonus......Hines is getting basically, maximum PS money this season ($940k) I don't think it takes a dot-connecting genius to infer that Beane promised Hines he would be on the team next season in exchange for getting the cap relief with no negative PR/grievance filed this season. I think there's a bunch of other moves on Tompsett's list the Bills won't make, but the essential point is correct, there are moves to be made. I would release Hines. Dude will not be the same again. Terrible what happened to him. Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25 Posted January 25 12 hours ago, SoMAn said: Right. Part of the Patriot’s strategy during their dynasty run was letting go of players with escalating salaries and declining impact, regardless of how much of a name they’d been in recent years. They were able to identify when a player had peaked and move on, rather than hope for more output. As a result they were often able to parlay their FA losses into compensation draft picks. They never got too emotionally attached to the point it became detrimental. This seems like one of the biggest problems with McBeane they overpay old vets and hang on to them way to long. Seems like they don't figure in age to much when it comes to free agency. Von Miller is a classic example of this. I wasn't surprised when he torn his ACL once again. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) Greg has just released another one of these… Bad news is that the projected 2024 NFL salary cap number is going to be lower than expected… so the Bills are going to start $50M in the red … Also says that they will have to restructure Diggs again to free up enough money to get under the cap next year … Edited January 25 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 12/5/2023 at 11:27 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Greg Tompsett is making the podcast rounds in the bye week this week and talking cap. Gave a pretty detailed plan on Cover1 and showed how the Bills could get themselves to about $72M UNDER the cap. Or $56M under without anything too crazy. Worth watching, or at least clicking around through, for anyone concerned with our cap situation next year. He was also on Locked On Bills to discuss our Free Agents and re-signing options As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M... No Brainers - Cap Saved Restructure Josh - $23M Restructure Diggs - $13M Restructure Ed - $3M Release Hines - $5M Release Harty - $4M Total - $48M Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER. Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings Extend Dawkins - $7M Extend Douglas - $6M Extend Johnson - $5M Release Siran Neal - $3M Release Sam Martin - $1M Restructure McGovern - $3M With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER Painful but Possible - Cap Savings Release Poyer - $5.5M Release Tre - $6M Bills now $56M UNDER Prefer Not - Cap Savings Restructure Milano - $2.5M Restructure Knox - $6M Trade Elam - $165k Release Bates - $1.5M Release Morse - $5.5M Bills now $72M UNDER I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth. I'd say everything from No Brainers to Painful But Possible should be done save for Hines (Beane says he'll be here and it's pretty clear a deal was struck last season that includes him being on the roster in Training Camp) and Poyer (already losing Hyde, they're not going to want to start over from square one at the Safety position). With each Hines and Poyer, hopefully we can get that number down from some sort of restructure or pay cut (at least in Hines case). This should bring us close to $50 under. Though like last season, not every extension or restructure that makes sense will be done or able to be done. But we should be in a spot to fill a lot of spots with some decent guys. Probably no one super exciting though. Going to be a lot of 1 year deals with void years. Nothing over 5-6 mil guaranteed in Year 1. Quote
aristocrat Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Is there a way to add years to vons contract to lower the cap hit? Quote
finn Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Sacrilege coming. What about trading Diggs? Yes, you take a very big hit, but if it allows you to move up in the draft for a stud (and comparatively cheap) WR, it might be worth it. Even if it's a wash financially (you're paying him the same as if he were here), you replace a fading player with a young superstar (ideally). Every year, at least one or two are chosen in the first round: Chase, Lamb, Jefferson, Wilson, Waddle, Flowers, Collins... Yes, it's a crap shoot, but I've really lost confidence in Diggs. Shakir has outshone him with far less targets. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 3:12 AM, Aussie Joe said: Greg has just released another one of these… Bad news is that the projected 2024 NFL salary cap number is going to be lower than expected… so the Bills are going to start $50M in the red … Also says that they will have to restructure Diggs again to free up enough money to get under the cap next year … I was just about to post that his original video was overly optimistic about the Bills' cap situation. $45-50 million over seems to be the situation. The Bills might have to clear $70 million to pay their draft picks and sign cheap FAs to fill the roster spots from cut players. There is no way, even with restructuring contracts that the Bills are hitting FA with anything major. They are going to have to hit on 3-4 players in the draft year one and get lucky again on some cheap contract like Floyd this past season. I wish Beane the best of luck. Diggs is the one contract I wouldn't restructure. We need to be able to move on in two years and restructuring will just prolonging the inevitable. Tre White has to be at the top of the cut list, because Douglas is on the roster now. $6 mill in savings pre-June 1, $10 million after June 1. Morse if cut save 8.5. With Bates on the roster, I can see this happening, but I'd prefer to keep him given the strength of the line's play last season. Poyer would save 5.7, but I doubt he can be replaced for anywhere close to that number. Harty would save $4 mill, and will be gone. Hines saves 4.6. Neal saves 2.8 Gilliam saves 1.9 McGovern, Taron Johnson, Douglas, and Dawkins should all be extended which could create cap savings in 2024. 1 1 Quote
mabden Posted January 26 Posted January 26 On 12/6/2023 at 12:17 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: I forget Hyde is a UFA. They probably keep Poyer and draft Hydes replacement. I would rather keep Hyde and draft Poyer’s replacement. Preferably: Resign Hyde to a 1 year deal. Keep Poyer. Both players retire as Bills in 2025 with the full grace and honor they deserve and hopefully with a Lombardi Trophy for their HOF resumes. 1 Quote
Blackbeard Posted January 26 Posted January 26 11 minutes ago, mabden said: Resign Hyde to a 1 year deal. Looks as though Hyde is retiring Quote
Aussie Joe Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/26/2024 at 12:51 AM, finn said: Sacrilege coming. What about trading Diggs? Yes, you take a very big hit, but if it allows you to move up in the draft for a stud (and comparatively cheap) WR, it might be worth it. Even if it's a wash financially (you're paying him the same as if he were here), you replace a fading player with a young superstar (ideally). Every year, at least one or two are chosen in the first round: Chase, Lamb, Jefferson, Wilson, Waddle, Flowers, Collins... Yes, it's a crap shoot, but I've really lost confidence in Diggs. Shakir has outshone him with far less targets. I think the hit is too big to overcome this offseason to trade him … Thompsett is saying that they actually need to restructure him again to save additional money to overcome the $50m hole they are in now … they need to also have some surplus to sign bargain basement players to replace the ones they are cutting/leaving ,,,and pay the rookies Edited January 26 by Aussie Joe Quote
Mango Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) On 1/25/2024 at 3:12 AM, Aussie Joe said: Greg has just released another one of these… Bad news is that the projected 2024 NFL salary cap number is going to be lower than expected… so the Bills are going to start $50M in the red … Also says that they will have to restructure Diggs again to free up enough money to get under the cap next year … Gregg keeps saying this and I don't thin it is true. That move alone needs to be avoided at all costs. It is a death sentence. I absolutely cannot take any Bills cap summary seriously that says "Diggs has to be restructured just to get by". Cover 1 has some good content, but they aren't the authority on everything. Without extending anybody I got the Bills within $5M of the cap by: Restructuring Josh (I would prefer to do this with an extension to help alleviate future years) Cutting Tre Cutting Morse Cutting Harty Cutting Poyer Cutting Hines Cutting GIlliam The roster management page won't let me do stuff like extend Douglas, Dion, or Taron which saves a ton more money. 28 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I think the hit is too big to overcome this offseason to trade him … Thompsett is saying that they actually need to restructure him again to save additional money to overcome the $50m hole they are in now … they need to also have some surplus to sign bargain basement players to replace the ones they are cutting/leaving ,,,and pay the rookies Trading him costs the team an extra $3M. That is it. On the roster he costs the team $28M. Off the roster he costs us $31M. The delta is $3M. If the Bills want to move on or Stef wants to move on, they certainly can. Edited January 26 by Mango word Quote
Mango Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: I was just about to post that his original video was overly optimistic about the Bills' cap situation. $45-50 million over seems to be the situation. The Bills might have to clear $70 million to pay their draft picks and sign cheap FAs to fill the roster spots from cut players. There is no way, even with restructuring contracts that the Bills are hitting FA with anything major. They are going to have to hit on 3-4 players in the draft year one and get lucky again on some cheap contract like Floyd this past season. I wish Beane the best of luck. Diggs is the one contract I wouldn't restructure. We need to be able to move on in two years and restructuring will just prolonging the inevitable. Tre White has to be at the top of the cut list, because Douglas is on the roster now. $6 mill in savings pre-June 1, $10 million after June 1. Morse if cut save 8.5. With Bates on the roster, I can see this happening, but I'd prefer to keep him given the strength of the line's play last season. Poyer would save 5.7, but I doubt he can be replaced for anywhere close to that number. Harty would save $4 mill, and will be gone. Hines saves 4.6. Neal saves 2.8 Gilliam saves 1.9 McGovern, Taron Johnson, Douglas, and Dawkins should all be extended which could create cap savings in 2024. I probably should have read everything before I responded with a near identical post. 1 Quote
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