Even if we miss the playoffs....

[Ramza86]

I agree...but....

 

I mean the negatives are just too big to even care about these small wins.

 

Aging vets and their salaries

 

The cap hell we are about to enter. 

 

The coach continuing to fail this team when it counts. 

 

Gonna have to see some big changes going forward.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Ramza86

[Ethan in Cleveland]

There are no moral victories. As others have said I agree with almost everything you said. 

I think Gabe is better than he has shown this year but it doesn't matter. He is gone and they need to draft a legit superstar WR. 

Brown has played good enough to not draft OT round 1. I would still draft an OT in round 2 or 3.

 

 

But as others have said, not making the playoffs with a healthy Josh Allen is an abject failure. There is no other way of seeing it. If they do not make the playoffs McDermott should be fired. He won't be but he should. 

[mjt328]

Can't agree.  The only excuse for missing the playoffs would be a Josh Allen injury, or the roster around him getting completely rebooted.

This year can't be viewed as anything but a miserable failure.

 

For every positive, there is an equal negative.

-  Dalton Kincaid looks like a rising stud.  But Stefon Diggs is nearing his decline.  And we need to restart completely at WR2.

-  Terrel Bernard was a surprise hit.  But Matt Milano will be coming off a major leg injury.

-  O-Line finally looks solid.  But half of our D-Line has expiring contracts, and Von Miller is done.

-  Time to wave goodbye to major contributors like Tre White, Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde.  

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

I have an odd feeling we'll make it in but if we don't there's a whole ton of positives to be taken from this season. 

 

- Kincaid is a true stud, he will be a game breaker for our offense next year no doubt.

- Bernard is a stud as well and a playmaker that this defense needs, he's better than Edmunds.

-Cook is a baller and will be even better next season!!

-Spencer Brown is a legit RT for the future!!

-Cyrus will be a monster next year as he was better than average this year as a rook. 

-Shakir looks to be a playmaker and will be even better next year out of the slot(Beasely replacement finally).

-We now know Gabe is not it and can cut bate and draft a real #2/ eventual Diggs replacement.

-Ed Oliver is worth the contract and has finally got it all together.

 

There's a lot of positives that have come out of this frustrating season imo. I'm a glass half full guy!! Hats off to Beanes drafting!!! We're going to be okay we have a lot of young talent at our nucleus now 🦬 

Negatives, ANOTHER  wasted year in Josh's prime.  Poyer,hyde,tre, von all need to go.  Huge cap hit to deal with,mid tier draft slot, and Gabe Davis needs to be replaced.

 

No way about it, 2024 will be a step back, which is why us crapping the bed this year sucks so badly

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Honestly I think I agree with everything you said. 
 

I even believe next year’s starting safety duo is already on the roster. 

Who are they?

[TheBrownBear]

Holy cow! I hate to be a wet blanket, but somebody's been passing out the special Kool Aid to board members over the bye.  We just came off puking away a completely winnable game against a very overrated Eagles team that just had their doors blown off by the 49ers. The way this team is playing, 9-8 will be a real accomplishment and that will leave us two games out of the playoffs.

 

Yes. I agree that some of our young guys have flashed, but we are 6-6 and nearly everything (big picture-wise) has been trending down for this team over the last 13 months. Add to that an aging roster, bad cap situation and a ton of holes to fill and it's very very difficult for me to pump sunshine at the moment.  Having spewed all that, I really hope I'm wrong and the optimists get to pull this thread up and dunk on me at the end of the season (and further in into the future).

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[dpberr]

Eh, 2023 is an all-in season, and there should be consequences for the substantial underperformance of missing the playoffs. 

The 2024 season was supposed to be the most tenuous season for playoffs as the team begins to stack cap/spending for 2025 & 2026.  Playoffs aren't impossible next year, but I don't think the front office is going all-in with the vets as they have this year.  

[PBF81]

38 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

Marino missed the playoffs 7 time out of 17 years. 

Favre missed the playoffs multiple times. 

 

I hope it doesn't happen to Allen and the Bills this year,  or ever. 

 

But if and when it does, the sky won't be falling.

 

What was their competition in the AFC at the time?
 

Favre never missed when his scoring offense was ranked better than 10th.  

Marino did three times when his offense ranked in the top-10, but with defenses ranked 16th, 24th, and 26th.  

 

So for a team with a 5th ranked offense and a 5th ranked defense, not sure you'll find a team in the free agency era anyway that whiffed on playoffs like that.  

 

 

[boater]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

I have an odd feeling we'll make it in but if we don't there's a whole ton of positives to be taken from this season. 

 

- Kincaid is a true stud, he will be a game breaker for our offense next year no doubt.

- Bernard is a stud as well and a playmaker that this defense needs, he's better than Edmunds.

-Cook is a baller and will be even better next season!!

-Spencer Brown is a legit RT for the future!!

-Cyrus will be a monster next year as he was better than average this year as a rook. 

-Shakir looks to be a playmaker and will be even better next year out of the slot(Beasely replacement finally).

-We now know Gabe is not it and can cut bate and draft a real #2/ eventual Diggs replacement.

-Ed Oliver is worth the contract and has finally got it all together.

 

There's a lot of positives that have come out of this frustrating season imo. I'm a glass half full guy!! Hats off to Beanes drafting!!! We're going to be okay we have a lot of young talent at our nucleus now 🦬 

What about Stefon Diggs?

 

Why wasn't he in the game for some third down situations against Philadelphia?

 

He is 30 years old. It's common to lose a step about 31 or 32. There are some exceptions.

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Holy cow! I hate to be a wet blanket, but somebody's been passing out the special Kool Aid to board members over the bye.  We just came off puking away a completely winnable game against a very overrated Eagles team that just had their doors blown off by the 49ers. The way this team is playing, 9-8 will be a real accomplishment and that will leave us two games out of the playoffs.

 

Yes. I agree that some of our young guys have flashed, but we are 6-6 and nearly everything (big picture-wise) has been trending down for this team over the last 13 months. Add to that an aging roster, bad cap situation and a ton of holes to fill and it's very very difficult for me to pump sunshine at the moment.  Having spewed all that, I really hope I'm wrong and the optimists get to pull his thread up and dunk on me at the end of the season (and further in into the future).

 

And we're still coached by McDoesn'tKnow who's responsible for likely keeping a team that currently has the 5th ranked O and D out of the playoffs. 

 

Nothing changes there, with the weak link.  

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

I agree...but....

 

I mean the negatives are just too big to even care about these small wins.

 

Aging vets and their salaries

 

The cap hell we are about to enter. 

 

The coach continuing to fail this team when it counts. 

 

Gonna have to see some big changes going forward.

There needs to be a massive change across the board going forward

[ALLinALLEN]

Funniest comments:

• Someone suggesting moving our current number 1 corner (Benford) to Safety
• Someone suggesting moving Elam to safety
• Someone confident in a tandem of Benford/Hamlin at safety

 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

I have an odd feeling we'll make it in but if we don't there's a whole ton of positives to be taken from this season. 

 

- Kincaid is a true stud, he will be a game breaker for our offense next year no doubt.

- Bernard is a stud as well and a playmaker that this defense needs, he's better than Edmunds.

-Cook is a baller and will be even better next season!!

-Spencer Brown is a legit RT for the future!!

-Cyrus will be a monster next year as he was better than average this year as a rook. 

-Shakir looks to be a playmaker and will be even better next year out of the slot(Beasely replacement finally).

-We now know Gabe is not it and can cut bate and draft a real #2/ eventual Diggs replacement.

-Ed Oliver is worth the contract and has finally got it all together.

 

There's a lot of positives that have come out of this frustrating season imo. I'm a glass half full guy!! Hats off to Beanes drafting!!! We're going to be okay we have a lot of young talent at our nucleus now 🦬 

The only positive would be McD leaving as sorry missing the playoffs with Josh Allen is inexcusable and he's had his hands in every loss to date.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

30 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

True, I just wonder if zone techniques and fundamentals for CB is different than for FS? Maybe? It’s a stretch I know. 

My WAG would be zone techniques and fundamentals are even harder from safety spot than corner and much more critical if you make an error And also that it varies by scheme.  But would be interested to know from someone who has the answer. 

[The Wiz]

34 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Given our schedule there's zero excuse not to be at least 10-2 right now, possibly even 11-1 with a runaway path to 1st and homefield.  

 

Otherwise, this discussion doesn't even approach being complete without factoring in the one person that is responsible for this debacle.  

 

 

The same person it's been for awhile now.

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

I have an odd feeling we'll make it in but if we don't there's a whole ton of positives to be taken from this season. 

 

- Kincaid is a true stud, he will be a game breaker for our offense next year no doubt.

- Bernard is a stud as well and a playmaker that this defense needs, he's better than Edmunds.

-Cook is a baller and will be even better next season!!

-Spencer Brown is a legit RT for the future!!

-Cyrus will be a monster next year as he was better than average this year as a rook. 

-Shakir looks to be a playmaker and will be even better next year out of the slot(Beasely replacement finally).

-We now know Gabe is not it and can cut bate and draft a real #2/ eventual Diggs replacement.

-Ed Oliver is worth the contract and has finally got it all together.

 

There's a lot of positives that have come out of this frustrating season imo. I'm a glass half full guy!! Hats off to Beanes drafting!!! We're going to be okay we have a lot of young talent at our nucleus now 🦬 

 

 

I think this makes what McDermott has done this year even worse though. 

 

We've had these positives and are STILL going to miss the playoffs with an elite QB. 

 

The Gabe part though is not a credit to the Bills. We've known this for a long time now. Being late to the party is not a positive for Beane. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Yes, I'm very bullish on our current talent and Beane's ability to add more.

 

But until the HC is changed it will be more underachieving and disappointment no matter who they add or how the players execute.

[Mr. WEO]

Spencer Brown?

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, BillsBlue said:

-Spencer Brown is a legit RT for the future!!

 

-Shakir looks to be a playmaker and will be even better next year out of the slot(Beasely replacement finally).

So can't exactly agree with these, the first I just don't, maybe he's managed to not be complete liability in some games down the stretch but he also has forced us to game plan assistance because he gets beat so ***** often. Feel like we need a better RT if nothing else we should draft someone to decently high for the job if Brown wants to keep the job win it.

 

Second one, I'm less disagreeing that Shakir is coming along as a playmaker so much as I don't know if calling him a Beasley replacement is accurate, just not sure that's the role he's been filling.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Warcodered

[DrDawkinstein]

35 minutes ago, boater said:

What about Stefon Diggs?

 

Why wasn't he in the game for some third down situations against Philadelphia?

 

He is 30 years old. It's common to lose a step about 31 or 32. There are some exceptions.

 

He was. This is a false narrative that I call Broadcast Bias because Nantz pointed it out TWICE, therefore everyone thinks it's an absolute rule.

 

Diggs was in on 87 of 95 Offensive snaps. He needs breathers like any WR.

 

Diggs isnt the problem. He isnt even A problem. Or anything to be concerned about.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by DrDawkinstein