SNF Chiefs at Packers Game Thread

[Andrew Son]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:01 PM, Yobogoya! said:

 

Put Josh Allen in that offense with those weapons and Shanahan as play-caller. 

 

Other teams may as well just forfeit. 

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I've thought about that.  Honestly I don't think Josh is a great fit for Shanahan's system.  He's not exactly a "point guard" making quick decisions and distributing the ball.

[BillsShredder83]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:37 PM, SWATeam said:

I've thought about that.  Honestly I don't think Josh is a great fit for Shanahan's system.  He's not exactly a "point guard" making quick decisions and distributing the ball.

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shanny is smart. he would create a square hole to put his square peg... how many "good coaches" would either avoid a superior square peg, or just spit on the hole and hope square magically goes in lol exactly why id never want an aging coach ever again. that dinosaur mentality is finally dying from the sport

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

  On 12/4/2023 at 2:58 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Purdy is a real QB.  He is leading the league in completion % and Y/A, #4 in passing TD, and top 10 in total passing yards and YPG.  His TD/INT is >2.  He is executing the SF offense as it's designed to be executed and can make enough deep and sideline throws to take advantage of what he's given. 
 

Purdy is a real QB, just  more in the mold of Brady or Montana than Favre or Rodgers.

 

 

I remember you.  🧌

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He is.  He's a very cerebral QB who knows the Shanny system inside and out.

 

He's a touch/timing passer who throws the ball to a spot BEFORE the receiver makes their break.  That catches the defense completely off guard as they have no idea where the pass is going.  Thats why the passes he throws are wide open.  The defense can't predict where the pass is going.

Brady, Montana, Peyton were passers like that although it may be a little premature to compare Purdy to those greats.

 

Josh throws the ball AFTER the receiver makes the break which allows the defense to converge on the ball.  The defense knows where the ball is going.  This forces Josh to throw the ball in tight windows with the defense on top of the receiver.  This also forces Josh to throw the ball a 100mph to fit it into a very tight window.

 

The weapons argument is a bit silly as all QB's need great weapons.

 

What would Josh be without Diggs, or Mahomes without Kelsey or Burrow without Chase/Higgins ?

[Andrew Son]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:42 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

shanny is smart. he would create a square hole to put his square peg... how many "good coaches" would either avoid a superior square peg, or just spit on the hole and hope square magically goes in lol exactly why id never want an aging coach ever again. that dinosaur mentality is finally dying from the sport

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He was also rolling Lance out there until he got injured.

[BillsShredder83]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:44 PM, SWATeam said:

He was also rolling Lance out there until he got injured.

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weird situation agreed. they took a big swing and missed, crazy that lance only had like  qb snaps IN HIS LIFE. a chance i wouldnt have took, not for that compensation... and im certain he was a big part of that. they got lucky with a Elam/Benford type scenario landing Purdy..... but hes still an elite playcaller/designer

[FilthyBeast]

Packers all of a sudden looking like the proverbial 'team nobody wants to face in the playoffs', and if Love is truly a superstar in the making the Packers model for QB development is an interesting study going back to when Aaron Rogers was drafted during Favre's peak and sat multiple years before playing eerily similar to current situation with Love/Rogers.

 

As for the Chiefs, they finally took a hard hit on the injury front last night especially on the defensive side which has carried that team this year. They still have probably the easiest schedule left of all AFC contenders but not sure they are going to cruise to the #1 seed and another SB win anymore.

[Yobogoya!]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:37 PM, SWATeam said:

I've thought about that.  Honestly I don't think Josh is a great fit for Shanahan's system.  He's not exactly a "point guard" making quick decisions and distributing the ball.

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Josh can execute quick throws, but I do agree he's not perfect for that offense as it's executed right now. 

 

I think Shanahan would have to retool things to maximize Josh's strengths, and I think he would excel at that. Just my opinion, obviously. But if you let Shanahan have JA17 and pair him with weapons like Deebo and CMC, I mean... if Shanny can scheme his guys wide open with space in front of them with the threat of Brock Purdy at QB, I can only imagine what the threat of Josh would do. 

[Warcodered]

  On 12/4/2023 at 5:00 PM, FilthyBeast said:

Packers all of a sudden looking like the proverbial 'team nobody wants to face in the playoffs', and if Love is truly a superstar in the making the Packers model for QB development is an interesting study going back to when Aaron Rogers was drafted during Favre's peak and sat multiple years before playing eerily similar to current situation with Love/Rogers.

 

As for the Chiefs, they finally took a hard hit on the injury front last night especially on the defensive side which has carried that team this year. They still have probably the easiest schedule left of all AFC contenders but not sure they are going to cruise to the #1 seed and another SB win anymore.

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It's weird they traded their team captain who played his ass off for them and well and that everyone on the team loved, and somehow that pissed the locker-room off into playing well.

[zow2]

  On 12/4/2023 at 5:21 PM, Warcodered said:

It's weird they traded their team captain who played his ass off for them and well and that everyone on the team loved, and somehow that pissed the locker-room off into playing well.

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I was thinking last night,  why did the Packers suddenly get better since they traded Rasul Douglas?  I bet he will be disillusioned if the Packers make the playoffs and the Bills don't.

[Beck Water]

  On 12/4/2023 at 3:58 PM, Warcodered said:

If they just went over it a bit sure, though as has been pointed out hailmary plays almost never draw PI penalties in either direction and they should note that, by the sounds of it though they above and beyond that which is where the issue would be.

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They went over the uncalled DPI and the Hail Mary at the end of the game, I could be wrong but I think it was the first time they brought in their 'officiating expert'.

 

You're probably correct that Collinsworth went on a bit about it affecting the outcome of the game, he has that tendency where Paddy Mahomes is concerned.  IIRC during a SNF game in ?2020?, he went on and on about a final drive 'roughing' call on Josh Allen that was legit by rule, but sometimes uncalled, and allowed the Bills to keep their drive alive and choke out any chance of the Pats coming back to score - I'd have to look up which game that actually was

[RoyBatty is alive]

  On 12/4/2023 at 2:34 AM, zow2 said:

Taylor Swift looks like she is starting to get bored w football.  

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Thinks about what your wrote.

 

In a million years, would you have ever thought you would make such a post of the Bills message board?

[Beck Water]

  On 12/4/2023 at 5:21 PM, Warcodered said:

It's weird they traded their team captain who played his ass off for them and well and that everyone on the team loved, and somehow that pissed the locker-room off into playing well.

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I thought GB's LB and secondary were practically sieve-like last night.  Paddy routinely manipulated them to leave huge holes for Kelce in zone.  The difference is GB was able to 'get to' Mahomes for 3 sacks and a number of pressures, and he's lucky he was only picked once and not 2-3x.  GB DL was 🔥

 

The big improvement for GB has been offense.  They averaged 282 yds their 1st 5 games, and 389 the most recent 5 games.  Their points scored didn't go up so much, but sustaining drives and keeping the ball away from the opponent has been huge.

 

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:32 PM, zow2 said:

 

I was thinking last night,  why did the Packers suddenly get better since they traded Rasul Douglas?  I bet he will be disillusioned if the Packers make the playoffs and the Bills don't.

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It's not like he left in FA or asked to be traded.  Beane made GB an offer, and they thought they had good depth behind him to take the draft picks.

 

I don't think the Packers got better on defense since trading Douglas.  They're giving up scary yards rushing and the Lions had a >300 yd game.  But their offense has gotten its proverbial act together.

 

 

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[GoBills808]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:37 PM, SWATeam said:

I've thought about that.  Honestly I don't think Josh is a great fit for Shanahan's system.  He's not exactly a "point guard" making quick decisions and distributing the ball.

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Time from snap to throw

 

Brock Purdy: 2.81 seconds

Josh Allen: 2.85 seconds

[Beck Water]

 

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:44 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

He is.  He's a very cerebral QB who knows the Shanny system inside and out.

 

He's a touch/timing passer who throws the ball to a spot BEFORE the receiver makes their break.  That catches the defense completely off guard as they have no idea where the pass is going.  Thats why the passes he throws are wide open.  The defense can't predict where the pass is going.

Brady, Montana, Peyton were passers like that although it may be a little premature to compare Purdy to those greats.

 

Josh throws the ball AFTER the receiver makes the break which allows the defense to converge on the ball.  The defense knows where the ball is going.  This forces Josh to throw the ball in tight windows with the defense on top of the receiver.  This also forces Josh to throw the ball a 100mph to fit it into a very tight window.

 

The weapons argument is a bit silly as all QB's need great weapons.

 

What would Josh be without Diggs, or Mahomes without Kelsey or Burrow without Chase/Higgins ?

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I agree with most of this - but, Josh absolutely throws with anticipation at times.  He did this regularly with Beasley.  If you watch some of the Youtube videos with guys who break down film, they absolutely point this out.

 

What Josh doesn't do as much, that I witnessed Purdy doing last night, was take the quick throws to the open receiver/RB.  Part of this dynamic with Purdy may be he's got an all-world player at RB in McCaffrey, so why wouldn't you get the ball into his hands quickly?

Frankly, I think part of Josh's issue last season and this is a weapons question.  Kincaid seems to be coming on, but I think losing Beasley and believing that Davis could step into Sanders/Browns shoes and McKenzie then some combo of Shakir/Harty/Sherfield could step into Beasley's shoes was a big Fail by Beane.

But the point is, you can have a QB who has elite weapons and if he's not a "real" QB he can fail to take advantage of them appropriately.

 

[Simon]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:01 PM, eball said:

 

Whatever.  It was mostly a joke, just like this board has become.

 

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Any suggestions for what I can do on this end to help with that or are we just stuck in a Billsy moment that can't really be helped?

[FilthyBeast]

  On 12/4/2023 at 5:21 PM, Warcodered said:

It's weird they traded their team captain who played his ass off for them and well and that everyone on the team loved, and somehow that pissed the locker-room off into playing well.

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I believe at the time the Packers traded Douglas to the Bills they were sitting at 2 or 3 wins and probably thought they were toast. But funny things have changed and too bad the Bills aren't in the NFC or they'd have a very real shot a that the playoffs this year even with 7 or 8 losses.

[eball]

  On 12/4/2023 at 10:27 PM, Simon said:

 

Any suggestions for what I can do on this end to help with that or are we just stuck in a Billsy moment that can't really be helped?

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Probably can’t be helped. Just means I’m taking a step back because I come here for enjoyment and a distraction, not to sift through a load of bs. 
 

My problem, not yours. 
 

Go Bills

[Jon in Pasadena]

  On 12/4/2023 at 7:51 PM, GoBills808 said:

Time from snap to throw

 

Brock Purdy: 2.81 seconds

Josh Allen: 2.85 seconds

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Time from throw to catch

 

Josh Allen:  0.5 seconds

Brock Purdy:  *cough* a bit longer than that

Tua Tagovailoa:  one sidereal week

[Scott7975]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:44 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Josh throws the ball AFTER the receiver makes the break which allows the defense to converge on the ball.  The defense knows where the ball is going.  This forces Josh to throw the ball in tight windows with the defense on top of the receiver.  This also forces Josh to throw the ball a 100mph to fit it into a very tight window.

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Thats because the receiver can break like 5 different ways after deciding which route they are going to run, which can change during the route as well.  This is not a timing based offense.