Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think providing a loophole for teams to get out of contracts for players with DV is tough, I am torn. 

On one hand, we should make it easy to remove these guys from the league. 

 

On the other hand, if players with DV charges are easy to move on from there is something advantageous about keeping them around. If an issue arises they have an easy exit. 

I am not torn. Let’s say Josh Allen (heaven forbid) is convicted of killing somebody in a drunk driving incident. Should the Bills be banished into Cap oblivion for the next half decade or more? Why? What he did was not at all associated with the Buffalo Bills. And….id say the same no matter whose team he played for.

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Beane repeatedly said they’re letting police and NFL take the lead on investigation, mentioning it’s their job. 
 

In my opinion that sets the stage for the team to deflect backlash to the NFL and Texas DA if no charges are filed (meaning no suspension and likely no release). Beane definitely sounded like he wasn’t expecting any sort of discipline from the league. 

That sounds like the Bills are taking the NFL's decision to basically wait and kick the decision to the Bills and kicking it right back to them.

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Re: Araiza, McBean sat at the podium and said they were finding out about this live with the rest of the public and told everybody that Araiza didn't tell the team about the investigation. For that reason alone cutting Araiza is A-OK in my book. 

 

This is Von's 3rd incident regarding DV. They have text messages, with Von's words about the mother of his child in writing. 

To say this is out of character of the person they know isn't true. This is where I have the issue. 
 

Out of character for what?..

 

To have a toxic relationship with his long time girl?

 

Or in being a woman beater?

 

The first one is a headache, but plenty of good people are stuck in toxic relationships.   The second is obviously very different… but for that, we have to assume and make judgments on what we believe to have happened. 

[RichRiderBills]

I'm just confused. 

 

He was arrested via a warrant, arraigned, booked and released on bond. That is beyond allegation and IS being charged formally. 

 

So the NFL / Bills are saying "we are waiting a bit after he was charged to see if the whole deal sticks" 

 

Really, I'm not against a rush to judgement, but to see him on the field and active during this time is really concerning. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

I'm just confused. 

 

He was arrested via a warrant, arraigned, booked and released on bond. That is beyond allegation and IS being charged formally. 

 

So the NFL / Bills are saying "we are waiting a bit after he was charged to see if the whole deal sticks" 

 

Really, I'm not against a rush to judgement, but to see him on the field and active during this time is really concerning. 

We seem to be having a lot of confusion about how our criminal justice system works. Being arrested and arraigned does not make you guilty of anything. It’s just a step in our process. 

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I'm just confused. 

 

He was arrested via a warrant, arraigned, booked and released on bond. That is beyond allegation and IS being charged formally. 

 

So the NFL / Bills are saying "we are waiting a bit after he was charged to see if the whole deal sticks" 

 

Really, I'm not against a rush to judgement, but to see him on the field and active during this time is really concerning. 

A charge is still merely an allegation until convicted

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I'm just confused. 

 

He was arrested via a warrant, arraigned, booked and released on bond. That is beyond allegation and IS being charged formally. 

 

So the NFL / Bills are saying "we are waiting a bit after he was charged to see if the whole deal sticks" 

 

Really, I'm not against a rush to judgement, but to see him on the field and active during this time is really concerning. 

worst-case scenario playing out before our very eyes!!!

 

I am shocked… SHOCKED, I say.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I'm just confused. 

 

He was arrested via a warrant, arraigned, booked and released on bond. That is beyond allegation and IS being charged formally. 

 

So the NFL / Bills are saying "we are waiting a bit after he was charged to see if the whole deal sticks" 

 

Really, I'm not against a rush to judgement, but to see him on the field and active during this time is really concerning. 

Agree. Seeing him on the field Sunday is going to be sad and is going to be quite a WTF moment. 
 

How can I cheer for him? 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just playing devils advocate here. But what if his s/o is batshit crazy?  What if she makes things up?  Von has never been officially convinced of anything, only accusations. 

[RichRiderBills]

Yes, agreed. But the league qualifies being charged as grounds for suspension and or exempt list. 

 

Also league made a statement that they were waiting for him to be "formally charged"  to take action ...which had already taken place. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Agree. Seeing him on the field Sunday is going to be sad and is going to be quite a WTF moment. 
 

How can I cheer for him? 

Thats where this becomes a public relations issue and not a criminal justice issue. The short answer is…if you don’t want to cheer for him, don’t. 

[Mango]

 

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We seem to be having a lot of confusion about how our criminal justice system works. Being arrested and arraigned does not make you guilty of anything. It’s just a step in our process. 

 

There also seems to be some confusion of what is required of the general public vs the legal system. 

My employer is not a court of law. My neighbor is not the legal system. If I make the Buffalo News for assaulting my wife, my neighbor has no moral or legal obligation to invite me over for their 4th of July BBQ. And my employer isn't required to wait for a jury to let out to keep me employed. 

 

Asking people on a message board to wait for due process is not how the world works today, yesterday, or the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. 
 

Von is not in jail. Von will continue to get paid. People are forming all sorts of their own public opinions. Everything is working as designed. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mango

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

 

There also seems to be some confusion of what is required of the general public vs the legal system. 

My employer is not a court of law. My neighbor is not the legal system. If I make the Buffalo News for assaulting my wife, my neighbor has no moral or legal obligation to invite me over for their 4th of July BBQ. And my employer isn't required to wait for a jury to let out to keep me employed. 

 

Asking people on a message board to wait for due process is not how the world works today, yesterday, or the day we signed the Declaration of Independence was signed. 
 

Von is not in jail. Von will continue to get paid. People are forming all sorts of their own public opinions. Everything is working as designed. 

Eh… maybe in our new Black Mirror society, but your point is valid. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Agree. Seeing him on the field Sunday is going to be sad and is going to be quite a WTF moment. 
 

How can I cheer for him? 

Good news is he has been SUPER difficult to notice out there. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thats where this becomes a public relations issue and not a criminal justice issue. The short answer is…if you don’t want to cheer for him, don’t. 

Of course. It’s a little more complicated though when he’s one of dozens of players on the team. 
 

It is a personal philosophical conundrum I’m sure many fans are also going to be dealing with. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Of course. It’s a little more complicated though when he’s one of dozens of players on the team. 
 

It is a personal philosophical conundrum I’m sure many fans are also going to be dealing with. 

Add the fact that Celebs/upper classers get away with sh!t that us middle/lower classers don’t. 
 

NFL doesn’t give a crap about DV. 
 

The fact this got VERY quiet, VERY fast had me worried that this was going to be brushed away.

 

Beane’s presser has me feeling it’s confirmed. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Good news is he has been SUPER difficult to notice out there. 

“Who’s that defensive player for the Bills who looks like a real-life version of a ‘broken controller in Madden’ moment?

 

….. Oh.”

[Process]

Bottom line is McBeane has no balls. Von is dealing with troubling accusations AND has been completely useless on the field, and they still won't bench him in fear of looking like complete suckers for giving him that contract.

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Add the fact that Celebs/upper classers get away with sh!t that us middle/lower classers don’t. 
 

NFL doesn’t give a crap about DV. 
 

The fact this got VERY quiet, VERY fast had me worried that this was going to be brushed away.

 

Beane’s presser has me feeling it’s confirmed. 

 

My tinfoil hat says the litmus test will be if the recording from the incident sees the light of day. The red herring for me was when Bean said "I think this will stay open for a long time". As long as the case is open that recording is no longer subject to FOIL. If/When this gets tossed that likely means they likely found a way to not release it/make it disappear. 

[Warcodered]

Just now, Mango said:

 

My tinfoil hat says the litmus test will be if the recording from the incident sees the light of day. The red herring for me was when Bean said "I think this will stay open for a long time". As long as the case is open that recording is no longer subject to FOIL. If/When this gets tossed that likely means they likely found a way to not release it/make it disappear. 

The thing about that, that was confusing to me was that apparently he was recording first which just seems really odd in that situation. 🤷‍♂️