Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[balln]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If he’s suspended by the league under the personal conduct policy the bills can get out of his contract 

 I heard from cover one - Only a portion. The guaranteed portion and I think it’s year to year

[TampaBillsJunkie]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I have so many questions…..

This!  We all do. This is really bad. 

[Billy Claude]

The league won't do anything unless the woman changes her story.  Look at Frank Gore.  He was accused of dragging a woman naked across a hotel hallway,  pled guilty to a reduced charges of violating the public health code and then the 49ers hired him for the front office.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Billy Claude

[Charles Romes]

Sounds like all that has to happen for the Bills to void Von’s contract (meaning zero cap hit for 2024) is Goodell suspending Von for 1 single game. Is that correct?  

[Mango]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

Where are you all getting this info?  
 

what text?

where is the story about the gf recanting?  Google machine doesn’t have it. 

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Just now, Charles Romes said:

Sounds like all that has to happen for the Bills to void Von’s contract (meaning zero cap hit for 2024) is Goodell suspending Von for 1 single game. Is that correct?  

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

[Charles Romes]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

 
no source. I’m trying to figure it out

[Charles Romes]

37 minutes ago, Mango said:

The recording is noted in the body of most of the early articles.

 

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/von-millers-pregnant-girlfriend-accuses-him-of-pushing-her-putting-his-hands-on-her-neck/3400461/?amp=1

 

She texted a local news station a day later to say this was a nothing burger.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

Is there a source on this?

 

 Vick, Ruggs, Hernandez all came with cap hits. If Von’s contract gets voided it would be an NFL first. 

If renegotiating by Rodgers can change the cap hit of the Rodgers contract I would think triggering of a void provision in the Von contract can change the cap hit of the Von contract. 

[zow2]

23 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The problem with the reaction to this case is people have made up their minds with such limited information.  
 

First everyone assumed the allegations in the police report were 100% true - this is not always the case.

 

Then when his girlfriend publicly denied the claims in the report, people automatically assumed she changed her story out of fear.

 

None of us has the knowledge or information to make a decision either way, yet so many have made their minds up.  A sad commentary on the knee jerk reactions these days  
 

 

Even though the victim denied the documentation?  People just will believe anything to suit their narrative 

 

Follow the money. Once this became a national story the victim knew her monthly stipend…, the golden egg known as Von could potentially be ended. So she backtracks..”nothing to see here” “it was a misunderstanding” “y’all can stop bothering us now”.  

Follow the money. Always.

 

[CowgirlsFan]

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

[Breakout Squad]

8 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

Thought you were going for a haiku there. In seriousness, Miller needs to just go away. What a bum. 

[Bob Jones]

17 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

 

If you've read a bunch of pages of this thread, the bottom line is that Von is done (in the NFL) and he may be going to jail. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

 

If you've read a bunch of pages of this thread, the bottom line is that Von is done (in the NFL) and he may be going to jail. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

this is all speculation

[Wayne Arnold]

30 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

Terrible just Terrible.

Another he said she said situation.

No one really wins on these.

 

Except it's not a "he said, she said" situation.

 

There's way more evidence than that.

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

this is all speculation

 

Police reports and record 911 calls are not speculation. They are evidence of a crime.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

If renegotiating by Rodgers can change the cap hit of the Rodgers contract I would think triggering of a void provision in the Von contract can change the cap hit of the Von contract. 

Rodgers renegotiating his own contract is way different.

 

As far as I know there is no contract in league history that was every voided based on any morality or behavior clauses. Like I said early Hernandez, Ruggs, AP, Vick, all carried cap hits for their teams. 
 

My best guess is Von retires and negotiates some sort of settlement.
 

But the idea that Von signed a contract up front that would void his entire deal based on off field behavior is a pipe dream. It’s never happened…ever.

[Chaos]

33 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Except it's not a "he said, she said" situation.

 

There's way more evidence than that.

 

Police reports and record 911 calls are not speculation. They are evidence of a crime.

So you aleady know 1) what the prosecutors have decided to do 2)what the jury will decide if they prosecute 3) the NFL has already determined to kick Miller out of the league. Very weird that you are part of all of those discussions. 

[CheshireCT]

Court of public opinion is always a mess. The media always goes for the most sensational story, and then you get the he said she said. I’m absolutely no fan of domestic violence, but none of us knows a damn thing about what went on in that house. And we probably never will know!!

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So you aleady know 1) what the prosecutors have decided to do 2)what the jury will decide if they prosecute 3) the NFL has already determined to kick Miller out of the league. Very weird that you are part of all of those discussions. 

 

When did I say that? Two of those three things are up to the players involved in the chaotic game of the American justice system - and then you never know what Goodell and the NFL will want to do.

 

My point is that there's a difference between speculation ("he said, she said") and police reports / recorded 911 calls.

[Chaos]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

When did I say that? Two of those three things are up to the players involved in the chaotic game of the American justice system - and then you never know what Goodell and the NFL will want to do.

 

My point is that there's a difference between speculation ("he said, she said") and police reports / recorded 911 calls.

I posted that all of those things were speculation.  then you responded to me that it was not speculation. Keep up with your own posts. 

[Wayne Arnold]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I posted that all of those things were speculation.  then you responded to me that it was not speculation. Keep up with your own posts. 

 

You called these three things (from @Bob Jones ) speculation:

 

1. Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now.

2. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

3. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

 

By definition, these things are not speculation. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks.

[CheshireCT]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You called these three things (from @Bob Jones ) speculation:

 

1. Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now.

2. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

3. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

 

By definition, these things are not speculation. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks.

I suppose the speculation would be what the recording holds, what the injuries look like, and if it can be proved that these injuries came from the altercation.

 

Btw as I jump into this mid-argument, to be clear I don’t have any opinion on whether or not Von Miller is a violent SOB or not. I hope he’s not, but if he is he should be held accountable