Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[Wayne Arnold]

19 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

IMO a full week off given the state of play of this team, yes, was too much.

 

They have months on end and tons of money to travel the world, after our season ends, which as a direct result of the state of play of this team will likely be in just over five weeks from now. 

 

Who cares what other teams do.  Do you?

 

Otherwise, sorry that you disagree with me.  

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

This team desperately needs a week off from football. More than any team I can remember.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

That all depends on what the DA wants to do, if they can be bought, Von is fine, if they want to make an example of him, good luck!

Charges are very rarely brought when a victim backs out. Sadly its the reality in these situations. 

[Mynamemike]

53 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

What I find very disturbing are all of the gross comments and tasteless jokes coming from everyone on this board regarding both people about this situation.

Watch it buddy or you’ll get the Von treatment!

[JohnNord]

47 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Forums do a lot of thinking with their ***** when signings like this are made.  

 

 

 

His signing was an enormous risk to begin with, and the reason for Beane having to sign him was because at that time and after four of his drafts prior to that, he was unsuccessful at securing an impact edge-rusher for us.  

 

Anyone thinking that it was a stupid and far too risky signing was chastised, which supports your first statement replied to above.  

 

At the end of the day, Beane took an enormous risk to overcome his poor draft production.  He's getting quite a pass on that acquisition.  

 

Either way, that ridiculous risk has played out, and that was far from a reach in terms of occurring, between injury and age diminishment, and the performance part of that deal has not worked out, nearly at all except for 10 games.  

 

Given how much money he's gotten, that's an absurd amount of money per game.  

 

It's highly questionable as to why he deserved a week off.  

 

 

 

I largely agree with what you said but do have to defend the move by Beane.  Anytime you sign a player to a big contract, injuries are always a risk - whether young or old.   Look at Joe Burrow’s injury this season.  Just because he blew an ACL three years prior, doesn’t really mean it would happen again.  
 

The way the contract was structured, it was basically a 3-year contract and I feel that was reasonable.  They did have an overpay a little, but LAR and DAL were also in the mix to sign him to a similar contract.  So it was a deal somewhat close to his market value and was not an egregious contract.  
 

Now where I can agree with you is the need for Von in the first place.  Beane and McDermott consistently failed to find a difference maker as an edge rusher despite spending a time of money and draft resources.  
 

Trent Murphy was an absolute disaster.

Mario Addison was just a dude.

Quentin Jefferson was invisible.

Boogie Basham was a bust

AJ Epinesa and Greg Rousseau flashed but not enough as DE1

 

They failed at everything else, so they had to overpay for name brand and it worked for 10 games.   
 

But in this situation, they took a big swing and by happenstance it doesn’t look like it will work out.  I can’t really fault them though. 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by JohnNord

[Wayne Arnold]

59 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

What I find very disturbing are all of the gross comments and tasteless jokes coming from everyone on this board regarding both people about this situation.

 

Don't be such a cream puff.

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Apparently it is well documented that there have been MANY such instances between these 2 going back over a period of years.  It's a rather toxic relationship and these 2 probably should NOT be together.

 

Amazing a guy like Von could be this stupid.

 

 

Toxic relationships are addictive. 
 

Even for those who have money/means to get anyone they want. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

This is not new.  She is notorious for going nuts on Instagram and accusing him of using cocaine and neglecting their kids.  Just an overall toxic relationship 

Is this the same gal Shady McCoy messed with 

[PBF81]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I largely agree with what you said but do have to defend the move by Beane.  Anytime you sign a player to a big contract, injuries are always a risk - whether young or old.   Look at Joe Burrow’s injury this season.  Just because he blew an ACL three years prior, doesn’t really mean it would happen again.  
 

The way the contract was structured, it was basically a 3-year contract and I feel that was reasonable.  They did have an overpay a little, but LAR and DAL were also in the mix to sign him to a similar contract.  So it was a deal somewhat close to his market value and was not an egregious contract.  
 

Now where I can agree with you is the need for Von in the first place.  Beane and McDermott consistently failed to find a difference maker as an edge rusher despite spending a time of money and draft resources.  
 

Trent Murphy was an absolute disaster.

Mario Addison was just a dude.

Justin Jefferson was invisible.

Boogie Basham was a bust

AJ Epinesa and Greg Rousseau flashed but not enough as DE1

 

They failed at everything else, so they had to overpay for name brand and it worked for 10 games.   
 

But in this situation, they took a big swing and by happenstance it doesn’t look like it will work out.  I can’t really fault them though. 

 

 

Yeah, we can discuss this until we're both exhausted.  LOL 

 

Here's the thing and probably the difference between where you and I stand.  

 

Miller was 33 at the time of the signing and a downturn in his play, to one or greater extent should have been fully anticipated going forward from the date of his signing, at 33.  

 

So yes, for a player that provided what he did in his season or two prior, it may have been a market-value contract, although I'll even disagree there, but given his inevitable age-diminishment that "market value" also diminishes with it.  It was extremely unlikely that even uninjured he'd have been as good this season as last, and next season it would have been remarkable if there hadn't been a noticeable downturn in his play, uninjured. 

 

Even for three years he'd have been guaranteed about $52M.  

 

At the end of the day it was a risky signing, once again one that was "necessary" because Beane failed to stock the team with an effective and cost-effective (aka drafted) Edge-rusher.  

 

The best teams out there find impact/elite talent via their drafts.  The only player we've done that with on Beane's watch prior to this, Beane's 6th, draft, is Allen.  And he's now in his Bookoo Bucks second contract.  

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by PBF81

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

11 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

The way the contract was structured, it was basically a 3-year contract and I feel that was reasonable.  

 

Can someone explain this to me? I keep seeing people post that his contract is basically 3 years but then I look on sports sportstrac and they reference the below. It's not that I don't believe you I'm genuinely trying to get a handle on how screwed we are.

 

 

dead money 2024- 32m- cap savings 8.6m

dead money 2025- 15m -cap savings 8.4m

dead money 2026 -9m - cap savings  17m

dead money 2027 - 2.7m cap savings 30m

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I largely agree with what you said but do have to defend the move by Beane.  Anytime you sign a player to a big contract, injuries are always a risk - whether young or old.   Look at Joe Burrow’s injury this season.  Just because he blew an ACL three years prior, doesn’t really mean it would happen again.  
 

The way the contract was structured, it was basically a 3-year contract and I feel that was reasonable.  They did have an overpay a little, but LAR and DAL were also in the mix to sign him to a similar contract.  So it was a deal somewhat close to his market value and was not an egregious contract.  
 

Now where I can agree with you is the need for Von in the first place.  Beane and McDermott consistently failed to find a difference maker as an edge rusher despite spending a time of money and draft resources.  
 

Trent Murphy was an absolute disaster.

Mario Addison was just a dude.

Justin Jefferson was invisible.

Boogie Basham was a bust

AJ Epinesa and Greg Rousseau flashed but not enough as DE1

 

They failed at everything else, so they had to overpay for name brand and it worked for 10 games.   
 

But in this situation, they took a big swing and by happenstance it doesn’t look like it will work out.  I can’t really fault them though. 

 

Similar to what happened with Buddy Nix overpaying Mario Williams.

 

I looked up Basham season, thus far, he has done next to nada, no sacks, QB hits or TFLs.

[ngbills]

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/5170689/von-miller-megan-denise-revenge-porn-lawsuit/

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/von-miller-fiancee-megan-denise-domestic-violence/

 

https://thesportsgrail.com/bol-bol-is-dating-von-miller-baby-momma-megan-denise-with-the-two-having-sex-since-she-was-pregnant/

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/denver-broncos-von-miller-megan-denise-statement-criminal-probe

 

https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/buffalo-bills/2022/12/08/6391758ce2704e44328b4599.html

 

 

[DCofNC]

20 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Charges are very rarely brought when a victim backs out. Sadly its the reality in these situations. 

Yeah, BUT it’s Texas, so the DA makes the decision, not the victim.

6 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Can someone explain this to me? I keep seeing people post that his contract is basically 3 years but then I look on sports sportstrac and they reference the below. It's not that I don't believe you I'm genuinely trying to get a handle on how screwed we are.

 

 

dead money 2024- 32m- cap savings 8.6m

dead money 2025- 15m -cap savings 8.4m

dead money 2026 -9m - cap savings  17m

dead money 2027 - 2.7m cap savings 30m

Dead money is what his cap hit would be if he were cut in that season.  So if you bounce him in 2024, it costs is 32M

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Similar to what happened with Buddy Nix overpaying Mario Williams.

 

I looked up Basham season, thus far, he has done next to nada, no sacks, QB hits or TFLs.

Different situation… Mario Williams was very good for 2 seasons and played at an All-Pro level in 2014.  The Bills did overpay to get him in Buffalo but he played well.

 

Things went downhill after when Rex took over.  It wasn’t just the scheme change he fell off a cliff and was out of the league two years later.  

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, BUT it’s Texas, so the DA makes the decision, not the victim.

Dead money is what his cap hit would be if he were cut in that season.  So if you bounce him in 2024, it costs is 32M

Right and if you cut him in 2026 it's $9MM in dead cap space , so I fail to see how this is essentially a "3 year contract " when the contract started in 2022.

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/5170689/von-miller-megan-denise-revenge-porn-lawsuit/

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/von-miller-fiancee-megan-denise-domestic-violence/

 

https://thesportsgrail.com/bol-bol-is-dating-von-miller-baby-momma-megan-denise-with-the-two-having-sex-since-she-was-pregnant/

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/denver-broncos-von-miller-megan-denise-statement-criminal-probe

 

https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/buffalo-bills/2022/12/08/6391758ce2704e44328b4599.html

 

 

She has his name tattooed on her chest and a portrait of him tattooed on her shoulder.   These two should have a court order to stay the hell away from one another.

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Who cares what other teams do?  I care.  You really do want to be the only team that practices on bye weeks.  The players fought hard in the last CBA to have practice and contact reduced, you know, especially since another game was added in the regular season the last few years.  But lets punish our players for being 6-6 and tell them they have to stay and practice on their bye week like their a 1980's high school football team.

Buffalo will surely be desired destination for decent FA's.  

 

BTW, somehow I don't see our players jumping ship to go to places like Arizona, Carolina, the NFCS in general, Chicago, Washington, the Jets, NE, Browns, Colts, Titans, and some other teams because they don't get a full week off, only an extended four-day weekend, on their bye week.  

 

If they do, meh, maybe they don't belong here.  

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

10 minutes ago, ngbills said:

https://www.the-sun.com/sport/5170689/von-miller-megan-denise-revenge-porn-lawsuit/

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/von-miller-fiancee-megan-denise-domestic-violence/

 

https://thesportsgrail.com/bol-bol-is-dating-von-miller-baby-momma-megan-denise-with-the-two-having-sex-since-she-was-pregnant/

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/denver-broncos-von-miller-megan-denise-statement-criminal-probe

 

https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/buffalo-bills/2022/12/08/6391758ce2704e44328b4599.html

 

 

 

These two need to stay away from each other and stop procreating. 

[Royale with Cheese]

37 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well yeah, I'm not for doing what Chicago, Carolina, Arizona and other losing teams are doing.  Teams that are playing better than we are playing better than we are.  

 

We can go back and forth on this, but no, I don't see any reason for a full week off.  It's beyond clear that team needs more time in film study, and/or someone to do a better job of leading that training.  They could have spent a couple of extra days doing this.  

It's not as if this is the '60s and these guys make what many readers do and have to get regular jobs in the offeasons.   They make quite often insane amounts of money, at worst incredibly handsome livings.  Gabe Davis makes about $1M/year plus incentives/accelerators.  How many posters here do you think make $1M+ per year?  And we're told he sucks and is one of the primary reasons for our underachievement.    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   ... and for anyone that actually believes that.  

 

I do know that I'd like to see us stop underachieving and being so inconsistent.  

 

Which team in the AFC has better talent than we do on offense?   

 

I don't see one, but help me out.  

 

If we weren't on par with teams like the Broncos (which we lost to), the Raiders, or Texans looking in, then maybe my perspective would be different.  

 

I'm grasping at why TF this team isn't 10-2 or even 11-1 given the gimme schedule that we've had for the most part, instead of 6-6 and hoping to run the table simply to secure the 7th seed.  

 

 

 

The guy who doesn't have any idea of the grueling demand of a season is telling us what is good for those players.  Refreshing.  "Even though I've never been through it, I know what is or isn't enough for these players."  Entitlement.

So basically every team in the playoff hunt should be practicing on their bye weeks.  Yet none of them do it.

Broncos are on a 5 game winning streak, sitting at 6-5.  Shouldn't they be practicing on bye weeks?  What about the Chiefs?  They are averaging 23 ppg on offense....now where near Super Bowl Championship level.  They must be content with how good on offense they have been this year.

 

The 60's, they played 12 games.  We now play 17.  They players travel more because there are more teams.

Players are bigger, stronger and faster....the impacts are greater.  

 

But I guess the argument is, if they make a lot of money, they don't deserve the max rest the the CBA fought for.  That's amazing to me.

[RiotAct]

30 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Trent Murphy was an absolute disaster.

Mario Addison was just a dude.

Justin Jefferson was invisible.

Boogie Basham was a bust

AJ Epinesa and Greg Rousseau flashed but not enough as DE1

 

They failed at everything else, so they had to overpay for name brand and it worked for 10 games.   
 

 

Justin Jefferson?

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

Justin Jefferson?

I never saw him pass rushing in a Bills uniform, so he's technically correct.