Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[jahnyc]

Not ignoring the seriousness of the situation, but this seems to be putting the Bills in a very difficult spot.  I assume the Bills will want the League office to lead any efforts to suspend Von for alleged violations of personal conduct policies.  Further complicating this situation are the potential cap ramifications if the Bills will want to release Von and how the players are reacting to all of this (and how they would react if Von was released).  I do wonder if team players would expect the Bills to be supportive of Von throughout this situation (given his girlfriend's recent statements) or not, or maybe a mix among the views of players.  Just seems to be a very messy and complicated situation.

[TheFunPolice]

The difference between Miller and a guy like Tyreek Hillis that Hill is actually good at football, so the fans will tie themselves in knots convincing themselves that it was all just a big misunderstanding because they just want their football team to win and Hill helps that happen.

 

When there's no real gain people are less inclined to go through the mental gymnastics. 

 

It's sad, wrong, and gross, but that's the deal. The patience level an organization would have with a guy who is a top contributor vs a mercenary who is just stealing money from the team to play pattycake with offensive tackles 10 snaps a game is vastly different. 

 

Every snap Von takes the field our defense is playing with 10 men. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

The difference between Miller and a guy like Tyreek Hillis that Hill is actually good at football, so the fans will tie themselves in knots convincing themselves that it was all just a big misunderstanding because they just want their football team to win and Hill helps that happen.

 

When there's no real gain people are less inclined to go through the mental gymnastics. 

 

It's sad, wrong, and gross, but that's the deal. The patience level an organization would have with a guy who is a top contributor vs a mercenary who is just stealing money from the team to play pattycake with offensive tackles 10 snaps a game is vastly different. 

 

Every snap Von takes the field our defense is playing with 10 men. 

 

Tre White took even longer to recover from his acl

[Dukestreetking]

53 minutes ago, yall said:

I'm curious if Texas is one of those states where they can opt to prosecute w/o the victim filing charges?

In short, yes. Texas has a carve-out, DV statute for this particular instance.

 

Not a guess. Statute language quoted extensively up-thread.

[Mango]

I would not be shocked if Miller and the league pay to keep this thing quiet and the recording to somehow get buried and sealed under an infinite tag of "ongoing investigation". In exchange, Von retires in very short order (before the season ends). 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

If that's the case my apologies - perhaps I misunderstood- didn't mean to offend if I did

 

No we actually did reply to each other.

 

Yes, I do agree that the NFL players and bullfighters and ballet dancers and anyone else who mangles their bodies for a passion...that doesn't mean I won't feel for them when they get hurt and certainly won't be in disagreement if these NFL players get a few more days off on their bye week.  

 

My Paper Mill GM comment was just to state they do it for money as well.  Just like athletes, they do it for money but they seem to be criticized for it.  They are like everyone else.

 

Everyone makes a choice about most things.  If that choice gets them hurt, I think it's a bit harsh just to say "well it was their choice so I don't feel bad for them". 

It was Tre White's choice to play football and when his Achilles tore, my heart broke.  

[PauleeeWalnuts]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

She recorded the altercation and gave it to the police. This is stated in most articles. It was part of the reason they issued an arrest warrant for Miller. There is no recanting.

 

Texas is also a "No Drop" state. Meaning that the woman cannot drop the charges, only the prosecutor/DA can. The DA had a recording and an arrest warrant was issued. There is absolutely zero, none, zilch, maybe even a negative infinity chance this woman gets charged with a false police report....

 

The league will have to pull some strings and Von will likely have to let some serious money go to make this one go away. It is unfortunate for domestic abuse victims everywhere, but that is my expectations (unfortunately). 

 

 

Yes but the Prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the charges if he/she does not have a cooperating victim. If the alleged victim in this case refuses to testify, the charges will not stand. The police make decisions to charge and arrest for DV assault based on the victim’s complaint of pain or visible signs of injury. The “No drop” is there to protect DV victims from recanting out of fear. 

 

[DCofNC]

I’d say Miller cost himself everything w this one.  He’s probably done in the league and nobody is going to hire him to front office work if they can’t show complete innocence on this.

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

I’d say Miller cost himself everything w this one.  He’s probably done in the league and nobody is going to hire him to front office work if they can’t show complete innocence on this.

This is likely going away. She is already saying it was a misunderstanding and no one was assaulted. 

[TheFunPolice]

Try the "what if it was your daughter or sister?" test.

 

Would you buy that nothing happened after she called the police, recorded the incident, had her laptop smashed, hair ripped out and bruises on her neck?

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

16 minutes ago, mannc said:

Well, he's already been arrested so this aged poorly. 

We shall see.  It only aged 5 minutes so far

[Mango]

1 minute ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:

Yes but the Prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the charges if he/she does not have a cooperating victim. If the alleged victim in this case refuses to testify, the charges will not stand. The police make decisions to charge and arrest for DV assault based on the victim’s complaint of pain or visible signs of injury. The “No drop” is there to protect DV victims from recanting out of fear. 

 

 

A few things:
- The post I was responding to was charging the GF with filing a falsified police report. That will not happen. 

- I think in most cases where a victim recants you are correct. But there is a recording of the incident. You don't need a compelling witness if the altercation has video/audio evidence. 

- If charges do go away I would first be pointing the finger at an intervention from Von's team/the league. Again, because the fight was recorded and not because the witness would not cooperate. 

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

This is likely going away. She is already saying it was a misunderstanding and no one was assaulted. 

That all depends on what the DA wants to do, if they can be bought, Von is fine, if they want to make an example of him, good luck!

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said:

We shall see.  It only aged 5 minutes so far

And it's already 100 percent wrong.

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

This is likely going away. She is already saying it was a misunderstanding and no one was assaulted. 

??? Bruising, bleeding, missing hair and no one was assaulted?? 

[Mango]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

??? Bruising, bleeding, missing hair and no one was assaulted?? 

 

Don't forget the part where it was recorded and that recording was given to the police. 

I would be curious what league officials, Von's attorney, and agent were doing at the time the text message to the news was sent. 

[RiotAct]

Christ… the more I think about this the more I feel Von is still with the team (and sucking up a big portion of our salary cap) next season.  Whereas we cut Matt Araiza at the drop of a shoe.

[1onemangang7]

Another brilliant Beane head move...keep rolling your eyes maybe you'll find your brain. Why does Buffalo have to be the rejuvenation/retirement home where the guy can still be revered in greatness? A cast off cause he was a shell of himself after a productive career. I'll tell you why, cause Beane tries to appease fans instead of winning.

Edited December 1, 2023 by 1onemangang7

[TheFunPolice]

Her recanting means literally zero to me, not that what I think matters either. Many of us have unfortunately seen these types of situations in our own lives too often to buy that explanation. 

 

Toxic relationship bubbles along, something happens to cause a blowup, cops get called...

 

Then most of the time the couple is right back together the same day/night like nothing happened. Victims even sometimes angrily go after friends and family to defend the abusive partner. 

 

It's frustrating and sad for friends, family and law enforcement. 

[Bob Jones]

9 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Christ… the more I think about this the more I feel Von is still with the team (and sucking up a big portion of our salary cap) next season.  Whereas we cut Matt Araiza at the drop of a shoe.

Yep, and right now, there already is WAY more actual hard evidence in this matter than there ever was in the Araiza case, so it will be very interesting to see what the Pegulas do here. Money wise, from what I've read in here, they'll be better off to wait a while before they fire him, but principled people normally do the right thing ASAP. EDIT: I can't imagine the millions of female Bills fans being OK with keeping VM on the team.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Bob Jones