Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[JESSEFEFFER]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:01 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

it's not hate. It's just realizing he's donezo.

 

Two serious leg injuries in three years. Even if he does come back, he's not going to have the speed necessary to start.

 

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Both were noncontact, connective tissue injuries which makes it even worse, imo.  Contact injuries are often more of the bad luck variety when big men, moving fast and crashing into one another at bad angles applies Newtonian physics to the human body.  It's the evidence of Doug Whaley's "humans were not meant to play football."   Running full speed and quickly changing direction causing two injuries is a very bad sign for his career path where he needs to do that on every play.

 

Much respect for trying to come back from that.  Much surprise if he can.

[SoonerBillsFan]

  On 12/4/2023 at 3:57 PM, Bills!Win! said:

why all the hate for Tre this year? 

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It's nothing to do with hate, it's business.  Huge contract, already coming off an ACL now a torn Achilles which is most of the time a career ender fo wr, ol, dl and cb.

 

Sorry but he will never be what he was when he got the contract.  Sentiment is for fans, the correct business decision to to reach an injury settlement and move on.

[boyst]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:20 PM, yall said:

I think Non and McDoormat should be officially added to the TBD lexicon.

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Used to be tom was auro corrected to marsha. And some other word changed to stevestojan

[Nephilim17]

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

[Warriorspikes51]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:02 PM, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

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Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

[Nephilim17]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:05 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

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I did too. He had this really chill and zen vibe to him. Seems like a total facade or he's zen with football and a lunatic with personal relationships.

Now, this could be a false accusation but with a history of making social posts like what's quoted, there seems to be a lot of smoke now and a fire looks more and more likely.

[Beast]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:02 PM, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

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Whoa.

 

Don’t let this guy back onto stadium grounds at the very least until this is investigated further.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Beast

[NoName]

  On 12/3/2023 at 7:50 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

Let's not pretend that anyone was opposed to the Bills making a big move. All I heard was championship caliber teams make bold moves. Well here you go. It ought to be a cautionary tale that not every deal works out. But it won't be.

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Sure.  I wanted a big move like the next Bills fan.  I wasn't on board with a 30 something year old DE with a history of knee issues.  There is a difference between bold moves and desperate moves.

  On 12/3/2023 at 3:51 PM, Augie said:

 

They took a big swing, and it didn’t work out due to injury. He had 8.5 sacks before getting hurt. If he stays healthy and we win a Super Bowl it looks a lot different. But, he did get hurt, so we will never know. 

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But we didn't win a super bowl and he did get hurt.  How many people are surprised that he ended up getting hurt????  That's my point.

  On 12/3/2023 at 2:46 PM, Bobby Hooks said:

Let’s not pretend that it wasn’t working at the time. We were top five in pass rush, when he got hurt, we went to mid-twenties. We all knew the risks involved. We just so happened to get the worst case scenario.  Most believed where we were, and what we needed the risk was warranted. 
 

It’s tough, but we took a swing. I’d rather have a team with that mindset than what we had for the 20 year drought. This one just happened to backfire. 
 

 

 

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Just because it worked for 3/4th's of a season does not mean it made sense to hand a 30 something year old EDGE rusher with a history of knee issues a 120 plus million contract.  I'd rather us take a more calculated swing than a desperate one like this.

[Augie]

  On 12/4/2023 at 11:22 PM, NoName said:

 

But we didn't win a super bowl and he did get hurt.  How many people are surprised that he ended up getting hurt????  That's my point.

 

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Does @Captain Hindsight have multiple accounts? 

 

😋

[SoonerBillsFan]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:09 PM, Beast said:

Whoa.

 

Don’t let this guy back onto stadium grounds at the very least until this is investigated further.

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The Bills need to take the lead and put him on leave.

[BillsFanForever19]

  On 12/4/2023 at 5:03 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

It's nothing to do with hate, it's business.  Huge contract, already coming off an ACL now a torn Achilles which is most of the time a career ender fo wr, ol, dl and cb.

 

Sorry but he will never be what he was when he got the contract.  Sentiment is for fans, the correct business decision to to reach an injury settlement and move on.

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Exactly. It's not hate. It's just a no brainier business move. We're in terrible cap shape. His contract pays him as one of the top CB's in the NFL. And that contract has an out after this season.

 

Even before the Achilles injury, it's something we'd have to consider depending on how well he performed throughout the season. Now it's just something that has to be done. We can't continue to pay him as a Top CB out of love and sympathy. That's not how the league works.

 

It's a sad situation. But simple business logic doesn't denote "hate". I loved what Tre brought to the team, who he is, and his abilities before his injury. But we have to get out from under that contract.

[Warcodered]

  On 12/4/2023 at 11:43 PM, Buffalo619 said:

Innocent until proven guilty.  He stays and he plays.  Always assume the opposite that msm reports. 

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He's not playing, they're not making a decision yet, but they're not going to play him while it's all being sorted out.

[Warcodered]

  On 12/5/2023 at 12:04 AM, Buffalo619 said:

That would be just another bone headed decision from our head coach. Sunday is the biggest game of the year, he’ll play while it gets sorted. 

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It's not a coaching decision it's an ownership/organization decision, they're not going to put him out their with this hanging over head, he'll be inactive and it's a pretty obvious decision.

[Big Turk]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:02 PM, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

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Honestly sounds like some situation where she is supposed to be on birth control or has told them she is but then ends up pregnant and he finds out she stopped taking it which means she likely did it to "lock him in" for child support for 18+ years and is trying to scheme him.  But, when you date low quality women because they are hot, you get low quality women games played on you...

 

Would explain his reaction in terms of feeling set up or betrayed by her for his money.

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[EasternOHBillsFan]

  On 12/5/2023 at 12:04 AM, Buffalo619 said:

That would be just another bone headed decision from our head coach. Sunday is the biggest game of the year, he’ll play while it gets sorted. 

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He's been ineffective and we're 6-6... perfect time to keep him out and have someone else do the job,

[Warcodered]

  On 12/5/2023 at 12:14 AM, Buffalo619 said:

I think they learned from the Araiza situation and will wait and see. If he has any value left on the field, this is the game. 

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They're not cutting him yet, they're just not trotting him out on television across the nation.

[gobills1212]

  On 12/5/2023 at 12:20 AM, Buffalo619 said:

They are bringing him up slowly on a snap count because of his acl tear. He makes way too much to sit. 

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Did you read the title of the thread you're posting in?!?!?!

[Beck Water]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:36 PM, pennstate10 said:

Headline at The Athletic this morning said Von Miller released. 
 

Misleading though. I think they meant released from polic custody. 

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That.  Wasn't.  Funny.

[Beck Water]

  On 12/4/2023 at 6:05 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

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I'm not thrilled with adopting the role of "DV explainer" here, but statistically, women in DV relationships are most at risk during pregnancy (perinatally)

 

Nationwide, homicide (usually due to domestic violence) is the leading cause of death in pregnant women.  Read that again: Domestic violence kills more pregnant women each year than any other cause.

[Beck Water]

  On 12/4/2023 at 4:54 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He won’t be released until the NFL decides if they are going to suspend him. All reports they are dragging their feet on the Von situation. 

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Historically, the NFL does not take action to impose suspensions or other discipline for alleged crimes until the criminal case is resolved (one way or another) and the NFL (in the case of DV) completes its own investigation.  There will be no suspension until at earliest, next fall.  You can color me much surprised if any suspension is even announced until far too late into the new league year next spring to do the Bills a bit of good with their cap situation (which, would only be about $8M for the standard suspension).

 

So I guess if you want to consider "normal course of actions" as "dragging their feet", then they're dragging their feet.

 

The Bills are not going to release Von.  Releasing Miller this season would cost the Bills something like $32M in additional cap they simply don't have on the books. 

 

The only thing that might happen this season is the league placing Miller on Commissioners Exempt list, in which case the Bills play him to sit around in sweats.