RIP Henry Kissinger, age 100

[muppy]

17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

“Rotary”?  🤫

 

I think Rotarians go to the INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes two towns over for that sort of exposure.  But Bolivia?  

 

 You aren't EVEN calling out the Club Rotary Intl are you amigo 🤨

 

lmao such a Brat. **raspberries*** DUCK....TOO LATE take your lump Leo

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by muppy

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, muppy said:

 You aren't EVEN calling out the Club Rotary Intl are you amigo 🤨

 

lmao such a Brat. **raspberries*** DUCK....TOO LATE take your lump Leo

 

 

 

 

I’m thinking Ozark and money laundering.  Hide in plain sight. 

[WhoTom]

31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

“Rotary”?  🤫

 

I think Rotarians go to the INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes two towns over for that sort of exposure.  But Bolivia?  

 

 

You could say they get around.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

“Rotary”?  🤫

 

I think Rotarians go to the INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes two towns over for that sort of exposure.  But Bolivia?  

 

Bill Gates matches Rotary giving for polio eradication dollar for dollar internationally...billions, so there's that.  heck out the balance sheet and giving of the Rotary foundation which funds international projects such as ambulances to Ukraine - last 3 mos on avg...

 

https://www.rotary.org/en/our-causes/ending-polio

Edited December 2, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[CowgirlsFan]

RIP 🙏

[gobilz]

59 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said:

RIP 🙏

Same age ?

[thebug]

On 12/1/2023 at 5:42 PM, muppy said:

ROTARY International. It was one of the best experiences of my life

They made a solid phone for sure.....

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, thebug said:

They made a solid phone for sure.....

 

How many people will this just whiz by?

 

@Muppy I was in Rotary for years, admittedly mostly for business connections. I don’t feel bad as that was true of almost everyone. I look back on the things we did  and the experiences we had and I forgive the hokey-ness. I not only enjoyed having my young boys present while ringing Salvation Army bells outside the grocery store, but revenue went WAY up with cute kids, and they learned a little something. We did a Tree of Giving fundraiser one Christmas and the kids came with us after hours to a Sears (when they like, had stuff). We had needy families there expecting to get toys and things for the kids. Instead they asked “can we get diapers?”  Even my young kids were like “Dad, they don’t have anything.”  I think that is a life lesson as well as a kind deed. 

 

As for Kissinger, what a ride! I don’t know if he was a good guy or, as some suggest, the devil. I’m just not familiar with the details, but what a life. 

[Bad Things]

I believe there's a saying that goes... "Only the good die young."

[boyst]

This is a weird ass thread. Y'all f'd in the head giving a ***** about this dude that he's dead. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

This is a weird ass thread. Y'all f'd in the head giving a ***** about this dude that he's dead. 

What if he killed your family, would you care?

 

It's estimated that the dude was responsible for the deaths of about 3.5 million people.

 

If you remember him, maybe we can not repeat having people in power like this.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

What if he killed your family, would you care?

 

It's estimated that the dude was responsible for the deaths of about 3.5 million people.

 

If you remember him, maybe we can not repeat having people in power like this.

Ifs and buts and chocolate nuts

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

How many people will this just whiz by?

 

@Muppy I was in Rotary for years, admittedly mostly for business connections. I don’t feel bad as that was true of almost everyone. I look back on the things we did  and the experiences we had and I forgive the hokey-ness. I not only enjoyed having my young boys present while ringing Salvation Army bells outside the grocery store, but revenue went WAY up with cute kids, and they learned a little something. We did a Tree of Giving fundraiser one Christmas and the kids came with us after hours to a Sears (when they like, had stuff). We had needy families there expecting to get toys and things for the kids. Instead they asked “can we get diapers?”  Even my young kids were like “Dad, they don’t have anything.”  I think that is a life lesson as well as a kind deed. 

 

As for Kissinger, what a ride! I don’t know if he was a good guy or, as some suggest, the devil. I’m just not familiar with the details, but what a life. 

Did your kids join a club?  My experience was just the opposite:  I was a member when working but didn't have time and didn't need more patients.  At several times my "biz" was closed to new patients.  Now retired, I do much more with Rotary including being last years club  prez.  We gave good gifts to kids in need in the area last year thru a wine and cheese tasting fundraiser.  Made about $10k.  This year hoping it becomes "THE" community event to attnd and double that number....not bad for a club that almost folded during covid.

8 hours ago, boyst said:

This is a weird ass thread. Y'all f'd in the head giving a ***** about this dude that he's dead. 

those who fail to remember history r doomed to repeat it......

Edited December 5, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Did your kids join a club?  My experience was just the opposite:  I was a member when working but didn't have time and didn't need more patients.  At several times my "biz" was closed to new patients.  Now retired, I do much more with Rotary including being last years club  prez.  We gave good gifts to kids in need in the area last year thru a wine and cheese tasting fundraiser.  Made about $10k.  This year hoping it becomes "THE" community event to attnd and double that number....not bad for a club that almost folded during covid.

those who fail to remember history r doomed to repeat it......

those who think history is much different with any politician is a fool.

 

i know what he did and it pales in comparison to things that still happen on a regular basis around this country and world on a political stage.

 

to dscuss this further makes it political.

[Logic]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

 

i know what he did and it pales in comparison to things that still happen on a regular basis around this country and world on a political stage.

 

No it doesn't.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

No it doesn't.

Go look at South Africa and the weekly genocide there. Asia, same. This stuff is going on 24/7.

 

It's just different. 

 

Still, besides Tom Brady, never speak I'll of the dead.

[ExiledInIllinois]

24 minutes ago, boyst said:

Go look at South Africa and the weekly genocide there. Asia, same. This stuff is going on 24/7.

 

It's just different. 

 

Still, besides Tom Brady, never speak I'll of the dead.

Last two decades in a certain country w/a wall 🧱 too... The only thing is they are outpacing the genocide ****-ing like rabbits 🐇... Well until 2 months ago. 😏 

[Bad Things]

27 minutes ago, boyst said:

Go look at South Africa and the weekly genocide there. Asia, same. This stuff is going on 24/7.

 

It's just different. 

 

Still, besides Tom Brady, never speak I'll of the dead.

What are you talking about?

What's happening now is completely different from what Kissinger was responsible for.  (Well, maybe the genocide in Gaza would be included.)

 

Also... what a stupid saying, "Never speak ill of the dead."

Yeah, let's just whitewash history.  That's a healthy approach.

[Logic]

39 minutes ago, boyst said:

Go look at South Africa and the weekly genocide there. Asia, same. This stuff is going on 24/7.

 

It's just different. 

 

Still, besides Tom Brady, never speak I'll of the dead.

I bolded the part where you said "in this country".

There is nothing going on in this country that even comes CLOSE.

3.5 million is a lot of people. Kissinger was an all-timer when it comes to mass murder and genocide. He wasn't Hitler or Mao Zedong, but he's absolutely on the all time "caused an unfathomable amount of human deaths" list. And that's not me speaking ill of the dead, it's me simply stating a verifiable fact.

Anyway...acknowledging the complex and infamous nature of such a man's legacy, and even stating that one lacks regret for the death of such a man (particularly at age 100), both seem like fair game to me. YMMV. 

 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Bad Things said:

What are you talking about?

What's happening now is completely different from what Kissinger was responsible for.  (Well, maybe the genocide in Gaza would be included.)

 

Also... what a stupid saying, "Never speak ill of the dead."

Yeah, let's just whitewash history.  That's a healthy approach.

Genocide in many regions. I'm not going to do your homework for you. 

59 minutes ago, Logic said:

I bolded the part where you said "in this country".

There is nothing going on in this country that even comes CLOSE.

3.5 million is a lot of people. Kissinger was an all-timer when it comes to mass murder and genocide. He wasn't Hitler or Mao Zedong, but he's absolutely on the all time "caused an unfathomable amount of human deaths" list. And that's not me speaking ill of the dead, it's me simply stating a verifiable fact.

Anyway...acknowledging the complex and infamous nature of such a man's legacy, and even stating that one lacks regret for the death of such a man (particularly at age 100), both seem like fair game to me. YMMV. 

 

You Godwin'd. You lose. You are awarded no points 

 

No idea what YMMV means, I'm not a zoomer.