Kneel Down Game: Final Nail in McD’s Coach Coffin

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I wonder if he just didn't have faith in Bass to make the FG if josh did get them in range. 

 

Even worse.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:43 PM, Chaos said:

What is the proper number of seconds left when a kneel down is appropriate.  

History has told us it’s at least less than 13 seconds. Although didn’t the Chiefs get a field goal against us the next year before the half in 12 seconds?

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

On 11/30/2023 at 9:43 PM, Chaos said:

What is the proper number of seconds left when a kneel down is appropriate.  

 

Depends on score and how many TOs you have remaining.

 

If you are down by 3 or less points and have at least 1 TO left, you dont kneel down with anything over 10 seconds on the clock.

[dorquemada]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Depends on score and how many TOs you have remaining.

 

If you are down by 3 or less points and have at least 1 TO left, you dont kneel down with anything over 10 seconds on the clock.

 

It was sheer cowardice by McD.  That, or he vaporlocked (again, for like the 50th time) and couldnt make a decision so he did what he thought was safe.  Safe gets you a 6-6 record with a generational talent at QB, with the potential for a moral victory or two between now and golf season

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Jags were about to kick a FG at the end of the game with :30 left and clock running. Bengals use 1 of their 2 TOs to stop the clock.

 

Bengals get the ball back with about :26 left and 1 TO. Might as well just kneel down and go to OT, right?

 

NO

 

They at least TRY to run a few plays and get into FG range. It didn't work, but they were close. And at least they TRIED. And with Jake Browning at QB, not even Josh Allen...

And if it were not for the dumb pass by Browning they had a good shot. Allen at QB and they are getting to FG range. 

[PBF81]

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Kneel Down Game: Final Nail in McD’s Coach Coffin

 

BTW, based on the reports about Pegula not even considering firing McDoesn'tKnow, that will be nowhere near the final nail.  

 

There are likely many more nails to come, expect that coffin to be tightly nailed down long before Pegula pulls the lever on that apparently.  

 

I'm guessing that he'll have to have his hand forced by fan and media pressure.  

 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by PBF81

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Are we just gonna ignore the interception that Allen threw in a similar situation against denver at the half... that spotted denver 3 points in a 2 point game...

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Are we just gonna ignore the interception that Allen threw in a similar situation against denver at the half... that spotted denver 3 points in a 2 point game...

 

Yes we should ignore it. Why would that have any bearing on the decision in the Eagles game? 

 

Should Allen never throw the ball again just because he's thrown INT's in the past ? 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yes we should ignore it. Why would that have any bearing on the decision in the Eagles game? 

 

Should Allen never throw the ball again just because he's thrown INT's in the past ? 

 

 

 

No - but it does creep into the back of your mind a bit.  I don't have a ton of problems with the kneeldown - 20 seconds and a timeout is tough.  Sack fumble is a loss.  Int is likely a loss.  Even with a good 20 yard completion, you have to use the timeout and then it becomes a quick play spike situation just for a chance.  20 seconds is 3 plays, and 1 of them is a spike.  

 

The timeout usage i have more problems with.  We called two... when the clock was stopped.  Icing the kicker - fine.  It's an old tradition but its a 60 yarder, i don't hate it.  We would've had 2 timeouts and 20 seconds instead.. which means that 2nd play above can now be an allen scramble, or something a bit more down the field to create a makeable FG. 

 

But WHY did we call timeout on 3rd and 17 after they false started?  Everyone knows the scenario - tackle in bounds get off the field - FG unit should know who's who and line the hell up next to mcdermott ready to run on the field.  We JUST lost a game with this mistake, its fresh, its burned into their brains.  

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Are we just gonna ignore the interception that Allen threw in a similar situation against denver at the half... that spotted denver 3 points in a 2 point game...

 

I suppose, in the same way that we ignore the fact that the Giants, due to no particular action on our part, blew not one, but two opportunities at the end of each half to put that game away.  

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I suppose, in the same way that we ignore the fact that the Giants, due to no particular action on our part, blew not one, but two opportunities at the end of each half to put that game away.  

 

 

 

Been a weird season.  I don't think he wanted to lose on something stupid after a 60 yard field goal..  But thats his issue - playing not to lose.  

 

And we still should have won - even with all of these factors. Penalties called and not called.  Coaching mistakes.  A turnover.  60 yard FG.  etc.

[ngbills]

50 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yes we should ignore it. Why would that have any bearing on the decision in the Eagles game? 

 

Should Allen never throw the ball again just because he's thrown INT's in the past ? 

 

 

What if he throws an interception in OT? What is the difference? Why not at least try a running play? At least going for it with 20 seconds the Bills knew they had a chance. Not only did McD not take the chance he risked losing the coin toss and the Bills could have never even got the ball in OT. He felt safer with a 50-50 coin flip than running 3 plays on offense. 

[PBF81]

33 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Been a weird season.  I don't think he wanted to lose on something stupid after a 60 yard field goal..  But thats his issue - playing not to lose.  

 

And we still should have won - even with all of these factors. Penalties called and not called.  Coaching mistakes.  A turnover.  60 yard FG.  etc.

 

Yeah, we could just as easily be 9-3 as we could 3-9.  

 

The inconsistency reeks.  

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, we could just as easily be 9-3 as we could 3-9.  

 

The inconsistency reeks.  

 

 

 

I think he's trying to find that happy medium between aggressive and reckless.  I think at the VERY least... we can all agree, he has not found that 🙂

[DuckyBoys]

30 minutes ago, ngbills said:

What if he throws an interception in OT? What is the difference? Why not at least try a running play? At least going for it with 20 seconds the Bills knew they had a chance. Not only did McD not take the chance he risked losing the coin toss and the Bills could have never even got the ball in OT. He felt safer with a 50-50 coin flip than running 3 plays on offense. 

McDermott was ok with Allen throwing the ball 51 times in pouring rain in regulation  but couldnt stomach another pass attempt or two?  Its ridiculous and shows what his mentality is

[2003Contenders]

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Been a weird season.  I don't think he wanted to lose on something stupid after a 60 yard field goal..  But thats his issue - playing not to lose.  

 

And we still should have won - even with all of these factors. Penalties called and not called.  Coaching mistakes.  A turnover.  60 yard FG.  etc.

Agreed -- and under ordinary circumstances I could understand the logic there. But that is McD's biggest failure as a coach -- not accounting for the situation at hand as it relates to the flow of the game. What he had to understand there was:

 

-- The team's failure rate in overtime during his tenure as head coach

-- The defense had allowed the Eagles to score at will on 4 out of 5 second half drives

-- The offense had played very well all game

 

I also think that at least trying to do something on offense in those last 20 seconds would have sent a message to his team that he had confidence in the offense to win the game right there.

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, we could just as easily be 9-3 as we could 3-9.  

 

The inconsistency reeks.  

 

 

What inconsistency? The reason the Bills are where they are is because our defense has CONSISTENTLY failed to stop the opponent on the last drive of the game. Their record would be even worse if the Giants had gotten the PI call.