Which WR prospect will the Bengals screw us out of?

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We have to....we already have no WR2 and Diggs is approaching 30.  Josh's prime years start now!  We're going to need multiple wrs over the next 2 drafts. Harty, Hines and Sherfield are as good as gone.  Shakir looks promising but we have no idea what we have in Shorter.  The time to strike on young first contract wrs is now.  Hopefully it starts with Odunze!!

We have to trade up?  Huh?

3 hours ago, Dan in Owego said:

Currently a deep pool in free agency, would take some cap work but there is this Winfield dude that looks good to me🤔

Please no.  Love the player but I hope we don’t pay another S.  Winfield wants big bucks. No thx.  Go budget at S going forward.  Our all pros can’t even stop Hail Marys 

Edited November 29, 2023 by NewEra

[Dan in Owego]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We have to trade up?  Huh?

Please no.  Love the player but I hope we don’t pay bother S.  Winfield wants big bucks. No thx.  Go budget at S going forward.  Our all pros can’t even stop Hail Marys 

Won't fight you on this, but please keep in mind since Sunday i've been drinking more than normal😬

[Gunsgoodtime]

16 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Well, normally everyone is shocked. Year after year we hear the Bills are up against it, and yet they manage to sign guys. And they make moves no one saw coming. 

 

It's never as bad as it's made out to be.

https://overthecap.com/calculator

 

Take a look.  We are are loosing a lot of players and going to have to sign vet minimums to fill the roster, maybe starters.  You guys are clueless that dont pay attention.  This roster will be way more different than previous years.  Some of you think we live in this salary heaven that dont exist.  Here is your salary spent for the near future...Con Miller 20m, bacckup TE Knox, 15m.  That's just 2.  We could move on.  That's 35m

Edited November 29, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime

[JerseyBills]

With emergence of Shakir and Kincaid, I'd like a WR but not rd 1 unless he's an elite prospect 

18 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

10 picks - likely expect bargain shopping in FA.  I probably wouldn't go 1st round playmaker with my very highly paid QB tbh - he needs to make the rest better because he costs like 25% of the cap.  Not saying ignore it entirely, but the defense needs people to rush the passer, and it needs to get younger in the back end.  

 

Offense:

QB - Allen, ????

RB - Cook, ????, ????

WR - Diggs, ????, Shakir, ????, Shorter

TE - Knox, Kincaid, Morris

T - Dawkins, Brown, Van Demark, Doyle

G - McGovern, Torrence, Anderson

C - Bates, ???? (I assume Morse is let go for cap reasons)

 

Defense:

DE - Von, Groot, ????, Jonathan

3T - Oliver, ????

1T - ????, ????

LB - Milano, Bernard, Williams, Spector

CB - Douglas, Benford, Elam, ???? (expecting to move on from White)

NB - Johnson, ???? (expecting to move on from neal)

S - Poyer, ????, Hamlin, ????

Forgot Harty at WR

Just happy our ol actually looks good and have all 5 returning,  depending on Morse but I'd hope they keep him. He's playing good ball

[Matt_In_NH]

The title of this thread is such a loser mentality.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

21 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

https://overthecap.com/calculator

 

Take a look.  We are are loosing a lot of players and going to have to sign vet minimums to fill the roster, maybe starters.  You guys are clueless that dont pay attention.  This roster will be way more different than previous years.  Some of you think we live in this salary heaven that dont exist.  Here is your salary spent for the near future...Con Miller 20m, bacckup TE Knox, 15m.  That's just 2.  We could move on.  That's 35m

Let's put a pin in this Convo. Once the Bills make their off-season moves of restructuring, cuts and maybe even a couple of extensions I predict there will be space. 

 

I also predict that FA WRs are going to be cheaper this year specifically than what most are picturing. There is a ton of excellent WR talent coming out in the draft this year and as of now (yes some will re-sign with their current teams) the FA WR market is deep as well. 

 

You're right, as of right now I'm clueless as to what we will have, what moves will be made and who will cost what. By that token, so are you. That's all stuff that's on Brandon Beane desk. 

[Kirby Jackson]

17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I absolutely love Rome. Straight baller and seems like a great dude. I also love both of the FSU guys but favor Coleman because I do worry about separation issues with Wilson. 
 

I just hope this team realizes how big of a need this is and doesn’t hesitate to trade up. While there are no sure fire picks, a receiver playing with Allen seems like a pretty safe bet.

Total hypothetical:

 

Let’s pretend MHJ somehow falls to 5. This is highly unlikely but for the sake of this question, we will imagine. Let’s say that the Bills pick is like 18. Would you trade your 1st, 2nd, next year’s 1st and like a 2025 4th for him? I’d do it without blinking but wondering what others think?

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Total hypothetical:

 

Let’s pretend MHJ somehow falls to 5. This is highly unlikely but for the sake of this question, we will imagine. Let’s say that the Bills pick is like 18. Would you trade your 1st, 2nd, next year’s 1st and like a 2025 4th for him? I’d do it without blinking but wondering what others think?

This team has long-term Sammy Watkins syndrome, I suspect, but the Julio Jones trade certainly worked out for Atlanta.

[BobbyC81]

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The Bills need to draft a WR.

 

The Bengals are about to lose Tee Higgins, and once again find themselves without Burrow and likely with another Top 10 pick.

 

As of today, the Bills are at #17 and the Bengals #12. I expect the Bills to end up around #15 and Bengals around #10.

 

Neither team will have a chance at Marvin Harrison Jr. He'll be a top 5 pick, hopefully not to New England. I imagine Odunze will be off the board before either of us pick as well. Although Odunze is close to a Higgins clone and Bengals might end up pretty high if they likely lose out.

 

Looking at Draftek's list (just to get a list), who do we like?

 

 

I could see Cincy going back to the LSU well and grabbing Nabers, which would leave Coleman or Egbuka depending on who drafts between us.

 

Or do we go CB then get one of the 2nd round WRs? Anyone there to get excited about?

As long as McD is around it’ll likely be a defensive player, probably DB or DL.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, BobbyC81 said:

As long as McD is around it’ll likely be a defensive player, probably DB or DL.

 

It will likely be that even if he is gone given the glaring holes we'll have on the roster at those positions.

[boyst]

55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Total hypothetical:

 

Let’s pretend MHJ somehow falls to 5. This is highly unlikely but for the sake of this question, we will imagine. Let’s say that the Bills pick is like 18. Would you trade your 1st, 2nd, next year’s 1st and like a 2025 4th for him? I’d do it without blinking but wondering what others think?

i don't think he'd cost that much. i'd also rather throw in a player that isn't working. Elam or anyone.

[C.Biscuit97]

56 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Total hypothetical:

 

Let’s pretend MHJ somehow falls to 5. This is highly unlikely but for the sake of this question, we will imagine. Let’s say that the Bills pick is like 18. Would you trade your 1st, 2nd, next year’s 1st and like a 2025 4th for him? I’d do it without blinking but wondering what others think?

Man, that is a lot. Also, since it’s such a deep class, I would be willing to trade up but maybe not that high (so like a Rome O type).

 

that said, if we are viewing MHJ as the potential Diggs number 1 guy, that makes it a lot more interesting of a move. 
 

ideally, I want 2 receivers out of this draft. 

[boyst]

17 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I can't believe I'm writing this, but if an athletic, game-changing safety is there, it's something I'd consider. They are really hurting at that position, and the best safeties these days can make a big difference. Ideally, though, I'd prefer to get a safety in round 2 or 3 as long as the player projects to being good. 

 

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Rapp?? 

 

i like some of the options for free agents at S next year. a decent, deeper list.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

i don't think he'd cost that much. i'd also rather throw in a player that isn't working. Elam or anyone.

Haha, what kind of trade value do you think Elam even has at this point? It’s like a bag of footballs. But I agree, I’d trade Elam for Harrison!!!

[boyst]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, what kind of trade value do you think Elam even has at this point? It’s like a bag of footballs. But I agree, I’d trade Elam for Harrison!!!

elam is a 4th or 5th round prospect. especially if we are smart enough to play him in some of the games this year to draw interest.

 

if we lose against KC then i am playing Elam the rest of the year.

[C.Biscuit97]

55 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This team has long-term Sammy Watkins syndrome, I suspect, but the Julio Jones trade certainly worked out for Atlanta.

It’s true and trading up for a qb (which fails a lot of the time as well) seems like a bad move that high in the draft. But if this is the final piece to a SB team, I’m fine with it. Still think we have some decent holes to fill in as well.

Just now, boyst said:

elam is a 4th or 5th round prospect. especially if we are smart enough to play him in some of the games this year to draw interest.

 

if we lose against KC then i am playing Elam the rest of the year.

Honestly don’t think it’s that high but I hope you’re right. Guy can’t play on a team that needs cb helps and when he does, he struggles, but hopefully there are some dumb teams out there. I think McDermott is as good of a d back coach in the nfl so if he can’t mold you into something, I’d be really worried. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s true and trading up for a qb (which fails a lot of the time as well) seems like a bad move that high in the draft. But if this is the final piece to a SB team, I’m fine with it. Still think we have some decent holes to fill in as well.

Honestly don’t think it’s that high but I hope you’re right. Guy can’t play on a team that needs cb helps and when he does, he struggles, but hopefully there are some dumb teams out there. I think McDermott is as good of a d back coach in the nfl so if he can’t mold you into something, I’d be really worried. 

i hold on to last year. he played and was not a liability last year and in fact contributed.

 

there is talent there that we saw. it just isn't working to output. and if Eli ***** Apple can play in this league then anyone can.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, boyst said:

i don't think he'd cost that much. i'd also rather throw in a player that isn't working. Elam or anyone.

 

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Man, that is a lot. Also, since it’s such a deep class, I would be willing to trade up but maybe not that high (so like a Rome O type).

 

that said, if we are viewing MHJ as the potential Diggs number 1 guy, that makes it a lot more interesting of a move. 
 

ideally, I want 2 receivers out of this draft. 

I would think that’s roughly the cost. My thinking is that you’d have at least 5 years on his rookie contract. You have the best WRs in the league as long as Diggs remains as he is. After MHJ’s rookie contract you can move on from Diggs (if not sooner). With as expensive as WRs are, this move would position the Bills well moving forward. 

[boyst]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I would think that’s roughly the cost. My thinking is that you’d have at least 5 years on his rookie contract. You have the best WRs in the league as long as Diggs remains as he is. After MHJ’s rookie contract you can move on from Diggs (if not sooner). With as expensive as WRs are, this move would position the Bills well moving forward. 

swap firsts, give them a 3rd this year. add the next years first (2025). make a contingency in there to move up to a 2nd in 2025 if certain marks are hit - and i'd love it to be if we finish with 12 or more wins and targets for MHJ.

[Hermes]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The title of this thread is such a loser mentality.  

You know, I actually think it's a Billsy mentality.