Orlovsky: Buffalo never once forced Hurts to make the harder throw

[schoolhouserock]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The problem is 80% of the points we give up are in the 2nd half.  Throw in that ridiculous incessant zone McDermott has always used, and we don't stand a chance.  

Zone can work, just not the way the Bills play it in the clutch moments.

[SCBills]

I agree that Orlovsky seems like a fish out of water at ESPN, given he actually has insightful, fact-based things to say.  
 

Mina Kimes is pretty good too.  I think she may be out on leave right now though?

 

In regards to the race thing.. I’ve seen a lot of that start to be mentioned based on the over the top criticism from some black analysts.   And there is some there, there..  Allen isn’t your typical white QB.  He came into the league as an athlete.. the moniker typically given to black QB’s, and has been viewed through a racial lens ever since he made the jump to elite QB.    Some thinking he’s been given a pass on certain things a black QB wouldn’t and/or the idea that he’s the “great white hope” at QB, given he possesses otherworldly athleticism and isn’t just a drop back guy with some wiggle like Burrow. 
 

Edited November 28, 2023 by SCBills

[The Wiz]

For those that actually take Spears seriously, consider this:

 

 

[st pete gogolak]

8 hours ago, QB Bills said:

If I had to guess, I think that catch and run by tyreek hill in the 13 seconds game (right before the final Davis TD) has given McDoormat PTSD. Ever since then he is so terrified of giving up a long TD that he concedes yards at the ends of close games to the point where he's willing to give up a field goal attempt and take his chances. Granted, yesterday's kick was borderline miraculous, but it still shouldn't have gotten to that point.

Bingo!  Agree 100%.  McDermott is scared to death of giving up the big play at the end of tight games and I really believe it goes back to the Hill TD.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I agree that Orlovsky seems like a fish out of water at ESPN, given he actually has insightful, fact-based things to say.  
 

Mina Kimes is pretty good too.  I think she may be out on leave right now though?

 

In regards to the race thing.. I’ve seen a lot of that start to be mentioned based on the over the top criticism from some black analysts.   And there is some there, there..  Allen isn’t your typical white QB.  He came into the league as an athlete.. the moniker typically given to black QB’s, and has been viewed through a racial lens ever since he made the jump to elite QB.    Some thinking he’s been given a pass on certain things a black QB wouldn’t and/or the idea that he’s the “great white hope” at QB, given he possesses otherworldly athleticism and isn’t just a drop back guy with some wiggle like Burrow. 
 

I agree with this. Allen certainly gets his share of criticism but it’s nothing compared to what Cam Newton got. Newton would get called out all the time for his body language or ridiculous crap. 
 

I hope we are getting to a point where qbs are just being judged on being qbs. I think a guy like Allen paved the way for Anthony Richardson (not great college production, high upside/ physical tools). 

9 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Marcus Spears criticism of Allen is borderline racist and I’m saying that as a black man. 

Why? Honest question. 

8 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Marcus Spears still mad Josh turned out to be the better QB of the 2018 class.  Lots of those analysts still on Lamar’s nuts.

What are we even arguing about here? Lamar, who some guys thought should be a rb, has a MVP, the number 1 seed in the AFC, and is like third in MVP odds. I think Allen is better but people should think Lamar (who gets crapped on more than any other good qb) is really good as well too.

[Billsfan1972]

9 hours ago, 0017 said:

I think he runs a good defensive scheme for most of the game (usually) but at the end of close games he needs to figure something else out, it’s too easy. Make the QB have to throw it over our CBs heads occasionally, it’s a much tougher throw, but whatever McD is the defensive genius 🙄

I remember the laughable thread about how great the defense allowing 500 yards against Jax was.  This defense is soft and when they need a clutch play almost non existant.

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Every single accurate QB shreds McDermotts defense. It’s been that way since 2019. It’s plain as day. If you play a QB that even belongs in the nfl, willing to take the easy throws we will get shredded. The only teams we ever stop are the ones that will turn it over. You can basically run on us at will or have guys streaking wide open on every 3rd down. If you can buy an extra second it’s there. What value does this coach have to us? He isn’t even good at his own specialty?

 

That's not true...they have made Brady look bad a few times, Rodgers looked bad, etc...

 

Let's not try to re-write history based on recent events.  For a long time Buffalo was the "No-Fly Zone" of the NFL and they made even the simple 5 yard checkdowns tough throws.

[starrymessenger]

That Philly player said they couldn’t believe the looks Hurts was given on that drive. That rang a bell with me because I remember after the 13 second disaster a Chiefs player (I think it was Kelsey) said exactly the same thing. 

[MikePJ76]

10 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

In reference to the final drive prior to the 59-yard FG, Orlovsky tears McD a new one.

 

From 6:20:

 

 

How can the title of that video be bills issues bigger than josh allen?  With a picture of that loser marcus spears no less.  Marcus spears never made a big play in his entire time in the nfl and was repeatedly responsible for the Dallas D getting gashed in big games........what a ridiculous title.

 

loss on more than just josh allen?  WTF?

Edited November 28, 2023 by MikePJ76

[MikePJ76]

43 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

For those that actually take Spears seriously, consider this:

 

 

The guy is a moron and he was the entire time in Dallas.  He was a first round bust.  he always blamed parcells scheme and then sucked in wade phillips  scheme

just as bad.  The guy never made any plays his entire time in Dallas.

I never watch ESPN but it is shocking to see them sit there and talk about allen like this.  Its comical and it explains why the national narrative is the way it is.  The simpletons watch this stuff and then believe it and repeat it.  

 

 

[Bruffalo]

McDermott's scheme requires two all pro DEs, a pro bowl DT, 2 star safeties, an all pro LB, and a lockdown corner to function well guys. 

 

Give him a break, the injuries are just too much.   

[Yobogoya!]

11 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The guy is a moron and he was the entire time in Dallas.  He was a first round bust.  he always blamed parcells scheme and then sucked in wade phillips  scheme

just as bad.  The guy never made any plays his entire time in Dallas.

I never watch ESPN but it is shocking to see them sit there and talk about allen like this.  Its comical and it explains why the national narrative is the way it is.  The simpletons watch this stuff and then believe it and repeat it.  

 

 

 

Anyone still drinking the mainstream kool-aid in 2023 has no excuse, frankly. For any news and analysis, sports or otherwise, you're far better off looking into independent media. 

 

I'd think everyone would have learned that after the Monte T'eo fiasco, but, well, that's willful ignorance for ya. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

10 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

They suck

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I agree that Orlovsky seems like a fish out of water at ESPN, given he actually has insightful, fact-based things to say.  
 

Mina Kimes is pretty good too.  I think she may be out on leave right now though?

 

In regards to the race thing.. I’ve seen a lot of that start to be mentioned based on the over the top criticism from some black analysts.   And there is some there, there..  Allen isn’t your typical white QB.  He came into the league as an athlete.. the moniker typically given to black QB’s, and has been viewed through a racial lens ever since he made the jump to elite QB.    Some thinking he’s been given a pass on certain things a black QB wouldn’t and/or the idea that he’s the “great white hope” at QB, given he possesses otherworldly athleticism and isn’t just a drop back guy with some wiggle like Burrow. 
 

 

Agreed on Orlovsky and Kimes. Kimes is great for a non-player.

 

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I agree with this. Allen certainly gets his share of criticism but it’s nothing compared to what Cam Newton got. Newton would get called out all the time for his body language or ridiculous crap. 
 

I hope we are getting to a point where qbs are just being judged on being qbs. I think a guy like Allen paved the way for Anthony Richardson (not great college production, high upside/ physical tools). 

Why? Honest question. 

What are we even arguing about here? Lamar, who some guys thought should be a rb, has a MVP, the number 1 seed in the AFC, and is like third in MVP odds. I think Allen is better but people should think Lamar (who gets crapped on more than any other good qb) is really good as well too.

 

With regards to Josh and race and the Talking heads...

 

There are a number of black Talking Heads who were insulted that the NFL drafted a small-school project in the top 10 over heisman winning, big program Lamar Jackson. They assigned that blame to Josh like it was his fault, and will take every opportunity through his career to point out his issues.

 

I get their frustration, but it isnt fair to take it out on Josh like they do.

[st pete gogolak]

Want to be fair. D had big stop last year to win KC game.  Other than that, has D made a late stop to win a game (I guess you can include NYG game this year but what a cluster bleep that was)?  Honest question.

[uticaclub]

10 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

Stats are for losers, watch some game film

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Want to be fair. D had big stop last year to win KC game.  Other than that, has D made a late stop to win a game (I guess you can include NYG game this year but what a cluster bleep that was)?  Honest question.

 

We held a 3-point lead with 15 seconds left vs the Rams in 2020 to seal the win after a Robert Woods fumble. 

 

Although considering we let them back into the game after being up 28-3 you may not take that as a positive, lol

[JerseyBills]

I agree but he left out the AJ Brown potential fumble 

 

Still mind boggling they didn't allow that to be reviewed

Edited November 28, 2023 by JerseyBills

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I agree but he left out the AJ Brown potential fumble 

 

Still mind boggling they didn't allow that to be reviewed

Do you honestly think it would have mattered if it was reviewed?

[JerseyBills]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Do you honestly think it would have mattered if it was reviewed?

yes. Keenan Allen had the same situationSun night,  probably worse and it was ruled a fumble

Edited November 28, 2023 by JerseyBills