Orlovsky: Buffalo never once forced Hurts to make the harder throw

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Let's be clear: Spears is an ABSOLUTE CLOWN on NFL Live. He's only there to give dumb hot takes for the real pros like Orlovsky and Ryan Clark to play off of.

 

Spears made that show unwatchable through the 2021 and 2022 seasons. He's dialed it back a little bit now that they are back in studio. But dude is just there to make jokes and throw out trash takes.

 

I'm not excusing it, just explaining and denoting for anyone who happens to catch NFL Live.

 

Give me Orlovsky, Clark, and Kimes and you got a good panel.

Yeah but it's not like he's hard to find, he's on Monday Night countdown too lol

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Yes, because ESPN has become the MSNBC/FOX of sports.  All they do is try to drive engagement by riling people up.  

 

If Philly misses a 59 yard FG at the end, the entire narrative yesterday would be how Josh Allen is the MVP front runner.  Instead, thanks to McDermott and his Defense, we get to deal with this nonsense. 

 

Just like 13 seconds has driven the post-season JA narrative.. again, thanks to McDermott and his Defense. 

 

Every sports channel does it. Shannon Sharp/Skip Bayless are the kings of hot takes to drive engagement and theyre over on Fox.

 

99% of sports reporting seems to be hot takes to get reactions and drive clicks.

 

Which kinda makes sense considering sports reporting is just fancy marketing for all these leagues. None of it should be taken too seriously.

[Dukestreetking]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I actually agree with this but have to mention that Kelce took back to back false starts to push them back 10yrds or else it would have been a very makeable 49 yrdr instead.

 

Agree, but that's why I was very careful in verbiage.

 

Moreover, if we talk about the Kelce penalties, in fairness we must include the D "forcing" 2 incompletions (err, a sack?) and a 3-yd run in the last 3 non-penalty downs.

[eball]

Sean McDermott is a 58-minute coach.  Two minutes left in a close game?  He loses his mind.  Can’t coach in the big moments.  It has been shown time and time again.

 

[Billsfan1972]

3 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Bingo!  Agree 100%.  McDermott is scared to death of giving up the big play at the end of tight games and I really believe it goes back to the Hill TD.

St least then the offense gets the ball back.  No confidence in the defense 

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

How can the title of that video be bills issues bigger than josh allen?  With a picture of that loser marcus spears no less.  Marcus spears never made a big play in his entire time in the nfl and was repeatedly responsible for the Dallas D getting gashed in big games........what a ridiculous title.

 

loss on more than just josh allen?  WTF?

Spears is the NFL's version of Kendrick Perkins on NBA Today (racist comments and no facts to back it up).  A complete joke.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

Want to be fair. D had big stop last year to win KC game.  Other than that, has D made a late stop to win a game (I guess you can include NYG game this year but what a cluster bleep that was)?  Honest question.

Yes at the 25 yard line.  How many others?  Wow one stop in how many?

[All_Pro_Bills]

All these Josh Allen conversations by sports commentators don't exist if the Bills defense can hold the lead for the same amount of time it took me to type this post.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Very damning. Inexcusable.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

A lot of that is skewed by opponents imo and being dominant when Milano/jones were healthy. Jets x2, bucs,broncos,giants, patriots, raiders were more than half our games and those offenses are trainwrecks.
 

Advanced metrics that adjust for opponents like dvoa are much less favorable towards the bills.  We were dead last in defensive dvoa for a pretty decent stretch after the Milano/jones injuries 

[wvbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Juice_32 said:

 

Everything you mention is why the late game choke jobs are so frustrating. The problem is purely late game situational. McD's late game conservative tendencies have been beaten time and time again, it's on tape and it's like taking candy from a baby. He is either unaware or too stubborn to change, either way he has to go.

Thank you for pointing this out 

All the numbers long term are going in his favor because of his style of defense. But situationally we get destroyed because he doesn’t adjust. 
 

Offensively he is aggressive in the right moments. Usually he will go it for on 4th when needed. 
But defensively it’s soft coverage until the other team gets in plus territory and then reckless aggression. 
Just find the middle ground with tight coverage and creeper pressures at the end of games. Make a qb go through a progression 

If he hasn’t figured that out now I’m not sure he’s going too

[BananaB]

McD is soft that’s why. Jesus Christ Mac Jones toasted our D in the last two minutes. 

[finn]

12 hours ago, QB Bills said:

If I had to guess, I think that catch and run by tyreek hill in the 13 seconds game (right before the final Davis TD) has given McDoormat PTSD. Ever since then he is so terrified of giving up a long TD that he concedes yards at the ends of close games to the point where he's willing to give up a field goal attempt and take his chances. Granted, yesterday's kick was borderline miraculous, but it still shouldn't have gotten to that point.

McDermott seems to be thinking, "Ok, we'll let them get into field goal range because, hey, they may miss!" 

 

I really can't remember the last time the defense had to hold and did. (I'm certainly not including the shameful Giants game.) Maybe the playoff game against the Ravens when Taron had the pick? 

 

McDermott plays not to lose. He simply has to go. But by the time it's blindingly obvious--likely after next season--we'll have lost yet another year of Allen's prime. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

34 minutes ago, finn said:

McDermott seems to be thinking, "Ok, we'll let them get into field goal range because, hey, they may miss!" 

 

I really can't remember the last time the defense had to hold and did. (I'm certainly not including the shameful Giants game.) Maybe the playoff game against the Ravens when Taron had the pick? 

 

McDermott plays not to lose. He simply has to go. But by the time it's blindingly obvious--likely after next season--we'll have lost yet another year of Allen's prime. 

In fairness,  that was like a 1/25 type fg make and even that feels generous.  
 

The defense held on to win a lot last year,  this disappointing season seems to have given people fuzzy memories.  Even in losses they pulled off some impressive holds like the Minnesota game where they had a pretty amazing goal line stand then the offense fumbled it away 

 

it’s kind of funny you mention the ravens game from two years ago because our defense saved the game with a late INT against that very same team the next season and you don’t remember it 😂
 

in total they stopped the opponent with a chance to win on a final drive in all these games:

kc

bal

Min 

Mia x3 (defense had good field position game 1)

partial credit for NYJ game 1 (long drive but held to a fg so we could tie with a fg.  Plenty of time for the offense to at least tie who took over and did nothing)

 

partial credit for NYJ game 2 (we were up 8 so the best they could do was tie)

 

Partial credit for lions….(held to a fg to keep the game tied then the offense won it with 30 seconds left) 

 

so depending on how you look at it the defense held somewhere between 6-9 games.   The rest of the games were pretty much blowout wins.  Defense at least debatably held up in 100% of their opportunities on late drives 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[TheBrownBear]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hope we are getting to a point where qbs are just being judged on being qbs.

I agree, but we are getting further and further away from that ideal as we lean into our tribalism and identitarianism.  Now, back to football...

[RunTheBall]

McD has 2 defensive calls when there’s under 2 minutes left - Prevent D or Zero Blitz

 

Go look at the list of games lost on final drives or in OT when we had lead under 2 minutes since he came here. It’s indefensible and he should be fired, but he won’t be.

 

 

[Bob Jones]

20 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

In fairness,  that was like a 1/25 type fg make and even that feels generous.  

As I stated earlier in this thread, NextGen Stats gave that specific 59 yard kick a 20% success rate, so 1 in 5. 😉

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Bob Jones said:

As I stated earlier in this thread, NextGen Stats gave that specific 59 yard kick a 20% success rate, so 1 in 5. 😉

Does that factor in weather?  That sounds much too high.  And even so that is still a very unlikely play lol the only way to know for sure is to replay that moment a bunch of times haha 

[Juice_32]

2 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:

I'll bite, and get flamed...

 

Philly: 1:52, down 3, but with 2TOs, and (very?) good QB/O. That's a layup in modern NFL.

 

Result: no TD, no gimme FG. Instead, they have to rely on a 20%, 59-yd attempt in awful weather conditions.

 

Yes, I would've loved for the D to force a TO on downs or otherwise. But, regardless of circumstances, and on this particular high-leverage series, I would consider this a "stop" or damn near it.

 

Put it this way: at 1:52, if you would've told me I could have that non-ST result (again, irrespective of play sequence), I'd say "ok, I'll take that chance".

 

Btw: I'm not/not talking about the more general--and obvious--problem of late-game D failures.

 

If not for penalties they get a chip shot FG, the Philly drive in OT was defended pathetically. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:

I'll bite, and get flamed...

 

Philly: 1:52, down 3, but with 2TOs, and (very?) good QB/O. That's a layup in modern NFL.

 

Result: no TD, no gimme FG. Instead, they have to rely on a 20%, 59-yd attempt in awful weather conditions.

 

Yes, I would've loved for the D to force a TO on downs or otherwise. But, regardless of circumstances, and on this particular high-leverage series, I would consider this a "stop" or damn near it.

 

Put it this way: at 1:52, if you would've told me I could have that non-ST result (again, irrespective of play sequence), I'd say "ok, I'll take that chance".

 

Btw: I'm not/not talking about the more general--and obvious--problem of late-game D failures.

I think over time a lot more people will agree with this…even if next gen stats got it perfectly accurate that’s a pretty unbelievable result that they ended up with a 20% chance to make the fg

 

yes there were penalties but they had a down to get some of that yardage back and gained 0 yards

 

the defense in ot was an unmitigated disaster though for sure 

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

Seems like its either that or he all out blitzes like he chose to do against Russel Wilson that cost us the game on that floater he threw to Jeudy that got the P.I. call on Taron.   

 

If he just rushed four and played our normal defense we probably win both the Eagles and Broncos games not to mention the 13 seconds game.

 

McD just got an extended contract, he isn't getting fired.  His strength is leadership and creating a strong team brotherhood, but he needs support for his game coaching, he falls short there and it's been proven time and time again.    Help the guy, don't fire the guy.  Get the quality control/game managers in the booth to call the time outs, manage the plays/clock and end of half end of game strategies.   He wasn't good at that BEFORE he had to call a defensive play every down, so instead of giving him less to think about we actually put more on his plate.     

 

We pride ourselves on developing and supporting our players, lets do it for McD.

How is McDermott a good leader?  What does he say that is remotely smart witty intelligent or inspiring?

 

As for a team brotherhood.  That's on the players.  Most like each other.  Some are outliers, as in any group in society.  But when they are on the field they should all want to win for themselves, each other and their fans.  

 

Coaches need to put a game plan together given who their opponent is that gives their team the best chance to be successful.  And while the game is being played, they need to scheme and make decisions on the fly that continue to give their team the best chance to come out victorious.  In the biggest games, McDermott has come up short time and again.  He has hit his ceiling, and has been figured out.  Time for a change.