So glad Frazier is gone

[Heitz]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:57 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

...but this “scapegoat” narrative is just another false story around here.  

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I don't understand the "scapegoat" logic of some fans who play both the "I would have fired both Fraizer and Dorsey, they suck", but when they both get fired (or leave on their own) they say "Coach is just firing scapegoats". 🤷‍♂️  

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:35 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I said before the season started I thought it was great Frazier was gone for one simple reason. McDermott has no more excuses. 

It's now obvious the prior failures had nothing to do with Frazier. Frazier got scapegoated by this loser coach who talks about accountability but has none for himself. I wish Frazier would spill the truth on 13 seconds. 

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Frazier being gone clears up the ambiguity over who's fault 13 seconds was.

[1onemangang7]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:11 PM, Beast said:

 (See Cook benched again early after his drop 

 

 

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Good excuse. Beane shoves Cook on him and gives him a handicap. Everybody knows,but the Bills fantasy football fanatics

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[juno999]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:56 PM, Bruffalo said:

Not defending McDermott at all here but Dorsey was a legitimate problem.  The difference in Allen has been night and day once he got canned.

 

It's a McDermott issue ultimately anyways. Dorsey should have been canned before the season started. 

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Dorsey shouldn't have been promoted to OC.  Dorsey had no experience calling plays as an OC.  McD's fingerprints all over the issues with this team.  He's the root of the problem.

[Einstein]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:13 PM, Roundybout said:

We had so many blowout losses under Frazier. 

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Not sure why you think that.

In the last 3 years under Frazier, we had 2 regular season games we were blown out in.

Titans in 2020. Colts in 2021. 

That's it. That's the entire list.

Most losses were by 4 or less.
 

[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:23 PM, Einstein said:

Not sure why you think that.

In the last 3 years under Frazier, we had 2 regular season games we were blown out in.

Titans in 2020. Colts in 2021. 

That's it. That's the entire list.

Most losses were by 4 or less.
 

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Eagles in 2019…why limit this to 3 years?

 

ETA: KC loss in 2020 was a 2 score loss as well.

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[HumbleAndHungry]

Next, the equipment staff and water boys will be fired to try to rekindle the culture 

[Einstein]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:27 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Eagles in 2019…why limit this to 3 years?

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How far back do you want to go in order to stay relevant to our current player group? Or do you simply want to go back as far as you can to justify crapping on Frazier?
 

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:27 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

 

ETA: KC loss in 2020 was a 2 score loss as well.

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a 9 point loss is not a blowout.

[1onemangang7]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:56 PM, Bruffalo said:

Not defending McDermott at all here but Dorsey was a legitimate problem.  The difference in Allen has been night and day once he got canned.

 

It's a McDermott issue ultimately anyways. Dorsey should have been canned before the season started. 

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Pretty sure the coordinator didn't change Allen. It was team philosophy to save on the number of hits and pass off the rushing duties. Except they didn't roster a real rushing threat the equivalent of Allen and it didn't work. Guys like you were satisfied with the dismissal til the problem persists and leaves zero doubt. 

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[Bermuda Triangle]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:36 PM, Einstein said:

How far back do you want to go in order to stay relevant to our current player group? Or do you simply want to go back as far as you can to justify crapping on Frazier?
 

 

a 9 point loss is not a blowout.

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Same HC/DC, and same core players on defense.  

[Einstein]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:45 PM, Bermuda Triangle said:

Same HC/DC, and same core players on defense.  

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Not really.

In 2019 we were starting Star Lotuleli, Trent Murphy and Jerry hughes on the D-Line.

2020 had 3 new starters and by 2022 we had an entirely new D-line and two new starting CB's.

[mrags]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:27 PM, HumbleAndHungry said:

Next, the equipment staff and water boys will be fired to try to rekindle the culture 

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Well. Maybe a joke I bet he has something to do with the training staff. Or whoever he will blame for all the injuries the past 2 seasons. 

[Bruffalo]

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:37 PM, 1onemangang7 said:

Pretty sure the coordinator didn't change Allen. It was team philosophy to save on the number of hits and pass off the rushing duties. Except they didn't roster a real rushing threat the equivalent of Allen and it didn't work. Guys like you were satisfied with the dismissal til the problem persists and leaves zero doubt. 

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I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. The coordinator change certainly has helped. 

[MJS]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:43 PM, Beast said:

Right.

 

And, everyone knows McDermott didn’t blame Leslie for that game. He blamed the special teams coach and fired him.

 

Frazier was last season’s McDermott scapegoat.

 

This year it has been Ken Dorsey.

Meanwhile, Sean’s defense can’t stop any offense when the game is on the line.

 

Who will he blame for that?

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Firing Rick Dennison was the correct move. Firing the special teams coordinator was the right move. Moving on from Frazier was the right move. Firing Ken Dorsey was the right move.

 

So far he is got all of those right. There were major improvements to each of those units after those coordinators left. Our special teams last year were one of the best in the league, but they have taken a step back this year, for some reason.

 

I'd say the big mistake McDermott made was promoting Dorsey, but there was a lot playing into that, especially with how vocal Josh Allen was about it.

  On 11/27/2023 at 5:27 PM, HumbleAndHungry said:

Next, the equipment staff and water boys will be fired to try to rekindle the culture 

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Have any of the firings been a mistake? I don't get it. The fans called for those coordinators to be fired too, and when McDermott actually does it, fans complain about it?

[Walking Tall]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:10 PM, MJS said:

Firing Rick Dennison was the correct move. Firing the special teams coordinator was the right move. Moving on from Frazier was the right move. Firing Ken Dorsey was the right move.

 

So far he is got all of those right. There were major improvements to each of those units after those coordinators left. Our special teams last year were one of the best in the league, but they have taken a step back this year, for some reason.

 

I'd say the big mistake McDermott made was promoting Dorsey, but there was a lot playing into that, especially with how vocal Josh Allen was about it.

Have any of the firings been a mistake? I don't get it. The fans called for those coordinators to be fired too, and when McDermott actually does it, fans complain about it?

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So, who holds McDermott accountable?

 

The defense, under Frazier, was much better than what we are seeing under McDermott.

 

And he’s the head coach of a loaded football team that is 6-6 and a major disappointment.

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[MJS]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:26 PM, Beast said:

So, who holds McDermott accountable?

 

The defense, under Frazier, was much better than what we are seeing under McDermott.

 

And he’s the head coach of a loaded football team that is 6-6 and a major disappointment.

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The Bills aren't loaded. They have holes due to lack of talent and injury, especially on defense. But receiver is a problem on offense.

 

Pegula holds McDermott accountable. He is the only one.

 

And I MUCH prefer McDermott's aggressive defense to Frazier's passive defense. McDermott just needs to make some adjustments and rethink what he calls in certain situations. He might not be able to do that. We'll see.

 

McDermott should be feeling the heat, but not for making the correct call on moving on from those coordinators.

[BBFL]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:10 PM, MJS said:

Firing Rick Dennison was the correct move. Firing the special teams coordinator was the right move. Moving on from Frazier was the right move. Firing Ken Dorsey was the right move.

 

So far he is got all of those right. There were major improvements to each of those units after those coordinators left. Our special teams last year were one of the best in the league, but they have taken a step back this year, for some reason.

 

I'd say the big mistake McDermott made was promoting Dorsey, but there was a lot playing into that, especially with how vocal Josh Allen was about it.

Have any of the firings been a mistake? I don't get it. The fans called for those coordinators to be fired too, and when McDermott actually does it, fans complain about it?

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So that means there only one firing left to correct the situation…

 

🤔

[HomeskillitMoorman]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:32 PM, MJS said:

The Bills aren't loaded. They have holes due to lack of talent and injury, especially on defense. But receiver is a problem on offense.

 

Pegula holds McDermott accountable. He is the only one.

 

And I MUCH prefer McDermott's aggressive defense to Frazier's passive defense. McDermott just needs to make some adjustments and rethink what he calls in certain situations. He might not be able to do that. We'll see.

 

McDermott should be feeling the heat, but not for making the correct call on moving on from those coordinators.

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Who hired the two coordinators that he had to move on from? One of which he had here for like 6 years? He should absolutely be feeling the heat for that. 

 

And McD hasn't changed or improved at all as a Head Coach for 7 years now, what makes you believe he's going to make huge adjustments for year 8? It would be utter insanity to move forward with him. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

I’ll tell you what’s going to happen, whether folks like it or not.  The offense will continue to look good the rest of the season, solidifying Brady’s role as OC.  This will make it tough for Beane and Terry to justify tearing it all apart.  When pressed on the defense, McD will reference injuries, conclude that having a D coordinator is beneficial, and Frazier will be back.  McD will be back as HC, with Brady and Frazier as his coordinators.  
 

Not saying these would be the right moves, just my prediction.

[MJS]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:40 PM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Who hired the two coordinators that he had to move on from? One of which he had here for like 6 years? He should absolutely be feeling the heat for that. 

 

And McD hasn't changed or improved at all as a Head Coach for 7 years now, what makes you believe he's going to make huge adjustments for year 8? It would be utter insanity to move forward with him. 

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Frazier was great for the Bills... until he wasn't. It was time to move on, but he had some great years in Buffalo.

 

Dorsey was a mistake, but it was a complicated one, especially since Allen was so vocally advocating for him. It was a risk that did not work.

 

McDermott can and has made changes to the defensive scheme as a coordinator. I'm not sure what you mean. As a head coach? Not sure. But as a coordinator, he does a lot of good stuff with a tough injury situation.

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