The Salary Cap will doom us all (hope that title is better)

[TheBrownBear]

13 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’d have absolutely no problem admitting it if it were true lol your criticism describes a lot of the great qbs. A big chunk of Josh’s picks this year have been third down arm punts/take a chance type or tough luck type plays. I’m watching these great qbs that are supposedly way better at protecting the football make terrible decisions every week they just get bailed out by defenders dropping easy picks a lot more 

And this post from Florio seems to back up what you're saying.  https://x.com/MichaelFFlorio/status/1724852313695900103?s=202

 

However, it does seem that when Josh is bad, he's "bad" (Jets).  But hopefully that was somewhat a result of Dorsey running the show. 

[TheFunPolice]

Josh Allen is the most physically gifted QB in the league, and has a chance to go down as the best Bills QB of all time.

 

BUT he is going to have to at least play in a Super Bowl or two. That's why Rivers is not seen as on the level of Eli and Big Ben, even though he was just as good. Never got to the big dance, because he kept horrible coaches employed by winning just enough that they "couldn't fire a winner" 

Edited November 27, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

And this post from Florio seems to back up what you're saying.  https://x.com/MichaelFFlorio/status/1724852313695900103?s=202

 

However, it does seem that when Josh is bad, he's "bad" (Jets).  But hopefully that was somewhat a result of Dorsey running the show. 

Oh yea that jets game he cost us single handedly…he didn’t really play any worse than hurts or mahomes against the jets though for context. 
 

Even the best qbs have a terrible game every now and then 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Eastport bills]

50 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Doomsday, huh?

 

OK, then guy, let's hear your fixes going forward. If you've got the answers for a rosy future, I'm all ears.

 

 

Quick check of the standings says they're currently...three games better than we are this year?

 

The jets may actually be unluckier than we are, and there's actually a chance the Paytoilets draft Williams this year.

 

 

I’m not going to get into a fix with a guy that can’t acknowledge the value of a great franchise QB. Once the HC turns over it will be quick. How many games this year were wins with one stop on defense? How many soul crushing game day screwups featuring poor discipline penalties and personnel decisions. It took 10 games to get Shakir, Kincaid targets in the pass game. How many weeks of no offense in the 1st half of games before Sean realized Dorsey didn’t work. The 2 games since we average 30. Cook is going to be a great, all purpose back but it took 12 weeks to throw to him downfield.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I don't agree that it equates to a 3 year drought, but I do agree with the rest of the post. This team as currently constituted is done. Allen apart how many of this team are you willing to put in stone as day 1 starters in 2025. Kincaid, maybe Torrence, Cook, Ed Oliver, possibly Groot (and some might challenge that). Everyone else could conceivably be gone in the next two years. 

Bernard, Shakir, and Rasul to name some more.  
 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

I’m not going to get into a fix with a guy that can’t acknowledge the value of a great franchise QB. Once the HC turns over it will be quick. How many games this year were wins with one stop on defense? How many soul crushing game day screwups featuring poor discipline penalties and personnel decisions. It took 10 games to get Shakir, Kincaid targets in the pass game. How many weeks of no offense in the 1st half of games before Sean realized Dorsey didn’t work. The 2 games since we average 30. Cook is going to be a great, all purpose back but it took 12 weeks to throw to him downfield.

 

Fans love to blame coaches. Why? It's easier to admit a coach sucks than a favorite player has flaws.

 

Yes, the coaches stink. I've been on fire mcdermott mode for a while now.

 

But I'm not so blind as to think we can't see better from Allen.

 

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's what you took from this? Read it again. I'm looking for answers attenion here.

FIFY

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Malazan said:

FIFY

aren't you clever?

 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I don't agree that it equates to a 3 year drought, but I do agree with the rest of the post. This team as currently constituted is done. Allen apart how many of this team are you willing to put in stone as day 1 starters in 2025. Kincaid, maybe Torrence, Cook, Ed Oliver, possibly Groot (and some might challenge that). Everyone else could conceivably be gone in the next two years. 

 

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Bernard, Shakir, and Rasul to name some more.  
 

 

Josh Allen

James Cook

Stef Diggs

Shakir

Kincaid

Knox

Dawkins

McGovern

Torrence

Ed Oliver

Rousseau

Milano

Bernard

Taron Johnson

Benford

Douglas

 

That is only replacing our elderly Safeties which we knew we would have to do no matter how this season played out.

Tre White with another fluke injury ending his career.

Morse is over priced

Brown could be upgraded, but not necessary.

 

So what are we really looking at as a "rebuild"?

 

The Safeties we knew about. CB due to injury. Morse which we saw coming as well.

 

And we havent even mentioned re-signing guys like Epenesa, D Jones, or Floyd.

 

Sure, you could replace others, but you dont have to or need to just because you replace the coaching.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

This thread feels like a lot words for your real agenda of just hating on Allen again.  

[Process]

Absolutely clueless 

[Eastport bills]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Fans love to blame coaches. Why? It's easier to admit a coach sucks than a favorite player has flaws.

 

Yes, the coaches stink. I've been on fire mcdermott mode for a while now.

 

But I'm not so blind as to think we can't see better from Allen.

 

How many QBs you think overcome 10  penalties in the 1st half and no defense in the 2nd half to score 31 and put the team on his back to be in a position to win in O T . You’re just a guy who has a nickname for everybody and wants to be a critic of the one mega talented player we have to be relevant. You’re just a sad Bills hater stuck in the wrong area code. Try and construct something positive for yourself. Your shallow little Josh aspersion s are silly and make you sound delusional, unstable.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I don't agree that it equates to a 3 year drought, but I do agree with the rest of the post. This team as currently constituted is done. Allen apart how many of this team are you willing to put in stone as day 1 starters in 2025. Kincaid, maybe Torrence, Cook, Ed Oliver, possibly Groot (and some might challenge that). Everyone else could conceivably be gone in the next two years. 

No team in the modern era has any certainty as to starters 2 years in the future outside of a small handful of players.  Looking at the Chiefs right now and that entire roster could churn outside of Mahomes and Jawaan Taylor by 2025.  

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[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Bernard, Shakir, and Rasul to name some more.  
 

 

Bernard yea. Shakir still a maybe for me. Douglas? Call me unconvinced.

[gonzo1105]

While we squander games often the 2024 schedule is a ton easier and I fully expect this team to make the playoffs next year. How far they go next year who knows 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The mistake the Bills front office made was, and still is, Von Miller. I wasn’t in favor of it then and I doubt anyone is now. It was a huge swing and miss. Period! 

It certainly didn't look like a swing and miss until he ripped up his knee. It was a "future is now" gamble. It worked for the Rams the year before, and it almost worked for the Bills last year. Until it didn't ...

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

It certainly didn't look like a swing and miss until he ripped up his knee. It was a "future is now" gamble. It worked for the Rams the year before, and it almost worked for the Bills last year. Until it didn't ...

My concern with the deal was not about the possible impact of a player of his stature. My concern was locking him in for anything beyond a one year rental. I’m far from an expert on the subject of free agent contracts but it seems that this year’s Leonard Floyd deal is more appropriate.

[Billever76]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

The Josh Allen hate by some on this board is out of control.

 

The fact that some people can not see how great he is and how many problems he masks is incredible to me.

And the McDermott ball washing is nauseous 

[HappyDays]

What I hate most about this coaching staff and front office is that they have managed to convince some percentage of the fan base that Allen is anything less than elite.