The Salary Cap will doom us all (hope that title is better)

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Listen. It’s not mine. Gotta give @Pine Barrens Mafiathe credit in this one. But I am using it also. Already started. 

Yes.  I was just agreeing with you.  Great job on the nickname @Pine Barrens Mafia

Edited November 27, 2023 by LabattBlue

[pocoboy]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

 

Can think of a "fan" or two I would be willing to trade...

Edited November 27, 2023 by pocoboy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The Josh Allen hate by some on this board is out of control.

 

The fact that some people can not see how great he is and how many problems he masks is incredible to me.

The dude almost single handedly beat the eagles and the refs last night lol an absolutely incredible performance.  If he ain’t worth the money idk who is 

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

You lost me with the melon farmer nonsense. If you can’t see his value after yesterday’s game, your posts should ignored and rendered nonsensical. How do you know how long it takes to get back to the playoffs in the AFCE.? How long did it Houston to be competitive? Just another doomsday clown.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Eastport bills said:

You lost me with the melon farmer nonsense. If you can’t see his value after yesterday’s game, your posts should ignored and rendered nonsensical. How do you know how long it takes to get back to the playoffs in the AFCE.? How long did it Houston to be competitive? Just another doomsday clown.

This is a 12 win team with Milano back imo…we just lost the one guy we absolutely could not lose on defense.  I doubt we miss the playoffs next year.  The AFC East is a pretty bad division and we have had miamis number 

[juno999]

The Bills need a strong draft to get younger and cheaper.  I'd draft a WR in the first rd to go with Diggs and Kincaid.  Let Davis go via free agency.  If Beane is still around, I'd imagine he'll let a lot Bills free agents sign elsewhere and try to get comp picks.  They're stuck with Miller for next season.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

You lost me with the melon farmer nonsense. If you can’t see his value after yesterday’s game, your posts should ignored and rendered nonsensical. How do you know how long it takes to get back to the playoffs in the AFCE.? How long did it Houston to be competitive? Just another doomsday clown.

 

Doomsday, huh?

 

OK, then guy, let's hear your fixes going forward. If you've got the answers for a rosy future, I'm all ears.

 

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This is a 12 win team with Milano back imo…we just lost the one guy we absolutely could not lose on defense.  I doubt we miss the playoffs next year.  The AFC East is a pretty bad division and we have had miamis number 

 

Quick check of the standings says they're currently...three games better than we are this year?

 

The jets may actually be unluckier than we are, and there's actually a chance the Paytoilets draft Williams this year.

 

 

[McBean]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

Hold up…

 

Are you saying Josh Allen is a melon farmer and hasn’t played up to his contract? You don’t like Allen? Who in the world would you want on this team the past 5 years under these coaches that you think would have done better? Don’t even say mahomes. He got handed a Ferrari day 1.

 

This might be the most bat crap post of all time on here and the BBMB.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, McBean said:

Hold up…

 

Are you saying Josh Allen is a melon farmer and hasn’t played up to his contract? You don’t like Allen? Who in the world would you want on this team the past 5 years under these coaches that you think would have done better? Don’t even say mahomes. He got handed a Ferrari day 1.

 

This might be the most bat crap post of all time on here and the BBMB.

 

I'm not a fan of his inconsistency.

 

He makes a TON of backbreaking mistakes, and yes, sometimes he's absolutely genius.

 

His interception last night, for example, probably cost the team the win as it resulted in a TD. My feeling with him is this: if EVERYTHING is optimal, can he perform in three consecutive games without a backbreaking turnover? Because that's what it'll take to win a championship, and I'm not sure I've ever seen him do that. Could be wrong. But man, it's maddening.

 

[McBean]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I'm not a fan of his inconsistency.

 

He makes a TON of backbreaking mistakes, and yes, sometimes he's absolutely genius.

 

His interception last night, for example, probably cost the team the win as it resulted in a TD. My feeling with him is this: if EVERYTHING is optimal, can he perform in three consecutive games without a backbreaking turnover? Because that's what it'll take to win a championship, and I'm not sure I've ever seen him do that. Could be wrong. But man, it's maddening.

 

His pick in the third quarter cost this team the game? Really?

 

I’m going to put it to you plain and simple: without #17, this team the past 5 years maybe wins 3-4 games. Max. He has covered up so many weaknesses with this entire organization it’s sick.

 

You are out of your effin mind if you think Josh freakin Allen is the problem here. Say it with me….

 

IT’S. THE. HEAD. COACH.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, McBean said:

His pick in the third quarter cost this team the game? Really?

 

I’m going to put it to you plain and simple: without #17, this team the past 5 years maybe wins 3-4 games. Max. He has covered up so many weaknesses with this entire organization it’s sick.

 

You are out of your effin mind if you think Josh freakin Allen is the problem here. Say it with me….

 

IT’S. THE. HEAD. COACH.

 

It can be both.

 

Who cost us the win week 1? Was it McDermott or was it Allen?

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I'm not a fan of his inconsistency.

 

He makes a TON of backbreaking mistakes, and yes, sometimes he's absolutely genius.

 

His interception last night, for example, probably cost the team the win as it resulted in a TD. My feeling with him is this: if EVERYTHING is optimal, can he perform in three consecutive games without a backbreaking turnover? Because that's what it'll take to win a championship, and I'm not sure I've ever seen him do that. Could be wrong. But man, it's maddening.

 

It resulted in a td because the defense gave up a moon ball/prayer td on 3rd and 15 to a scrub wr that absolutely never should’ve been completed 

[TheBrownBear]

9 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

It can be both.

 

Who cost us the win week 1? Was it McDermott or was it Allen?

 

 

I hear you generally, but as bad as the timing of yesterday's turnover was, Allen willed the team up and down the field all day long and got them the lead inside of two minutes and again in overtime.  This one almost entirely lies at the feet of McDermott.

 

Edit: reading comp fail on my part.  Didn't realize you were talking week 1.  That was like the flip side of this game, with Allen almost singlehandedly dragging us to that embarrassing loss - McD's 4th quarter defense and special teams were just the icing on the cake.  But yes, 6-6 with this roster and level of experience takes a certain level of  "complementary sucking" that Sean and Josh have seemed to perfect in 2023. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It resulted in a td because the defense gave up a moon ball/prayer td on 3rd and 15 to a scrub wr that absolutely never should’ve been completed 

 

Right, but does that play happen without the error from 17?
 

Look, I know it's hard to admit, but the guy is flawed. He turns the ball over too much. I'll say it again, yes, sometimes he's brilliant! But he's equally capable of being mind-numbingly stupid on the very next series.

 

Just now, TheBrownBear said:

I hear you generally, but as bad as the timing of yesterday's turnover was, Allen willed the team up and down the field all day long and got them the lead inside of two minutes and again in overtime.  This one almost entirely lies at the feet of McDermott.

That's all i'm saying here. People around here think Allen's ***** doesn't stink. But sometimes it really does and at the worst possible juncture.

 

[TheBrownBear]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

That's all i'm saying here. People around here think Allen's ***** doesn't stink. But sometimes it really does and at the worst possible juncture.

 

I think it's recency bias.  Josh has played two good games in a row and much of the fanbase wants (maybe needs) to believe that the guy we saw in the Jets, Pats, Giants, Broncos, etc. games was some sort of alien body snatcher inhabiting Josh's mind and body.  Most of us came down hard on Josh during and immediately following those contests.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Right, but does that play happen without the error from 17?
 

Look, I know it's hard to admit, but the guy is flawed. He turns the ball over too much. I'll say it again, yes, sometimes he's brilliant! But he's equally capable of being mind-numbingly stupid on the very next series.

 

I’d have absolutely no problem admitting it if it were true lol your criticism describes a lot of the great qbs. A big chunk of Josh’s picks this year have been third down arm punts/take a chance type or tough luck type plays. I’m watching these great qbs that are supposedly way better at protecting the football make terrible decisions every week they just get bailed out by defenders dropping easy picks a lot more 

 

 

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I think it's recency bias.  Josh has played two good games in a row and much of the fanbase wants (maybe needs) to believe that the guy we saw in the Jets, Pats, Giants, Broncos, etc. games was some sort of alien body snatcher inhabiting Josh's mind and body.  Most of us came down hard on Josh during and immediately following those contests.

Some think playcalling had a lot to do with it and that has yet to be disproven…maybe it will be but I can’t fault anyone for thinking Brady has improved things so far 

[McBean]

18 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

It can be both.

 

Who cost us the win week 1? Was it McDermott or was it Allen?

 

 

I got nothing for you bro. Seriously, nothing I can say will make you change your mind.

 

Josh Allen under Harbaugh, Slowik, or Ben Johnson would win MVP year 1.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, McBean said:

I got nothing for you bro. Seriously, nothing I can say will make you change your mind.

 

Josh Allen under Harbaugh, Slowik, or Ben Johnson would win MVP year 1.

 

Hopefully, we'll find out won't we?

 

Just not gonna hold my breath until it does.

 

[KeLLy1278]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

1) Good post

2) JJ Gittes rules !! 

[KeLLy1278]

32 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I'm not a fan of his inconsistency.

 

He makes a TON of backbreaking mistakes, and yes, sometimes he's absolutely genius.

 

His interception last night, for example, probably cost the team the win as it resulted in a TD. My feeling with him is this: if EVERYTHING is optimal, can he perform in three consecutive games without a backbreaking turnover? Because that's what it'll take to win a championship, and I'm not sure I've ever seen him do that. Could be wrong. But man, it's maddening.

 

The Allen apologists run wild on here.  He can do no wrong.  It’s like some of these people truly think that they are part of his immediate family.  The INT was nasty yesterday and it hurt.  The apologists will say that it didn’t cost the Bills the game.  Well.. the Bills had a chance to seal the game in OT.  Allen threw an errant pass to the end zone.  Miscommunication, bad pass, wrong route.. whatever it was, it resulted in a FG, not a TD. Everything counts. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by KeLLy1278