The Salary Cap will doom us all (hope that title is better)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Pine Barrens Mafia

[BuffaloBill]

 

Really? Would you like to return to the draught era QB’s?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Really? Would you like to return to the draught era QB’s?

That's what you took from this? Read it again. I'm looking for answers here.

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

I’ve gotta give you credit. The best part of this post is coining the name “NON Miller”. Thank you for that 

[YodaMan79]

The one thing the NFL has done right, is give teams/fan bases hope.  Transformations can happen quickly if you get a couple of lucky finds.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, YodaMan79 said:

The one thing the NFL has done right, is give teams/fan bases hope.  Transformations can happen quickly if you get a couple of lucky finds.  

A bills fan? Counting on luck? Idk man

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Really? Would you like to return to the draught era QB’s?

Yes, he wants to move on from Allen. It’s pretty astonishing. 

[BBFL]

I get where you’re coming from logically and I get the resentment toward that possibility too. 
 

Josh is a stud and could end up being potentially wasted as I agree he’s going to hit a wall very hard and have some drop off. The only disagreement I have is when that will happen. 
 

Personally, as of right now, we are smack-bang in Josh’s prime years. At peak he has probably 4 more years of absolute high level play off before the decline. And that decline IMO will be a lack of ability to be physical; one of his best qualities. 
 

You need to get someone who’s only purpose is to continually improve, work and challenge Josh to become a better quarterback in the mental capacity so when the element of running the ball is not an option, he at least has a coaching perspective of the field. 
 

 

The rest of the players? You’re pretty much spot on with the exception of Milano. Dude will play a solid 3 or 4 more years barring another injury to that leg. 

[dickleyjones]

25 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

melon farmers are pretty great. they bring us melons. i like melons. maybe you don't like melons? that's a shame.

 

what's especially cool is that we have a melon farmer who is also an absolute STUD QB! too bad you dont like melons or stud qbs you would probably enjoy life more but what do i know im just a guy who likes melons and stud qbs.

[Ya Digg?]

26 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

 

So regarding the “melon farmer” what else do you want him to do?! Aside from cutting down on turnovers, what else can he do? In 3 of their losses, he did what he was supposed to do-he gave the team the lead late in the game. If the defense actually holds a team, they are 9-3 and this discussion isn’t happening. His cap hit is huge next year, honestly who cares? Arizona, chargers, ravens, broncos, etc all will have bigger cap hits for the QB next year and I would much rather have our guy. 
That being said, I can’t complain too much about anything else you said. They have done a pretty poor job, outside of linebacker, of having young cheap replacements who are ready to step in…that’s also on McDermott for not actually playing these guys and figuring out what you have 

[MikePJ76]

If the first thing you post about being a problem is Josh Allen you are not really worth discussing football with.  Especially when qb's are essentially all slotted at salaries.  Each guy gets more than the last guy.  Its how it is done.

 

Im sorry but this place always blaming the qb is just kind of sorry.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

melon farmers are pretty great. they bring us melons. i like melons. maybe you don't like melons? that's a shame.

 

what's especially cool is that we have a melon farmer who is also an absolute STUD QB! too bad you dont like melons or stud qbs you would probably enjoy life more but what do i know im just a guy who likes melons and stud qbs.

I hate melons, it's true. They're like snot encased in rinds 

[dickleyjones]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I hate melons, it's true. They're like snot encased in rinds 

i knew there was more to it! 😂 

[SoCal Deek]

I can rant with the best of them…just ask my wife…but Josh Allen has nothing to do with the Bills problems. EVERY team is searching for a franchise QB. And every team knows that once they sign one it’ll create significant challenges to their overall salary cap. The mistake the Bills front office made was, and still is, Von Miller. I wasn’t in favor of it then and I doubt anyone is now. It was a huge swing and miss. Period! 

[boater]

Your analysis is correct.

 

You're pissing in the Wheaties of the Madden-types who play in cheat-mode and say things like "the cap isn't real," and they imagine all players want to play in Buffalo.

 

You'll be flamed.

[Rico]

47 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought.  "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac)

 

First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag.

 

Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production.

 

The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. 

 

Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap.

 

That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years:

 

Hyde - washed

Poyer - washed

Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term

Morse - long in the tooth

Davis - need better

Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both

Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon.

 

This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old.

 

Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts.

 

What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie.

 

 

 

I don't agree that it equates to a 3 year drought, but I do agree with the rest of the post. This team as currently constituted is done. Allen apart how many of this team are you willing to put in stone as day 1 starters in 2025. Kincaid, maybe Torrence, Cook, Ed Oliver, possibly Groot (and some might challenge that). Everyone else could conceivably be gone in the next two years. 

[entropyrules]

44 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yes, he wants to move on from Allen. It’s pretty astonishing. 

Whike I am not advocate of moving on from Allen he has a point if one believes the Bills can't fill the positins of those over the hill or oft injured players in the next 3 years. One has to hope that Allen's level of play doesn't taper off as he hits 30 and beyond - he seems like a physical stud so i don't think it will but if it does the poster is not totally wrong with his assertion.

 

Now having said all that, the Billls need to take a two year time out and jettison all that dead weight so they can field a complete team in 2026. Yes they'll miss the playoff but with some better draft picks and not falling into the trap of signing high priced free agents Allen could carry them back to the playoffs in 2026. Oh and they need a new coach but thats kind of a given.

Edited November 27, 2023 by entropyrules

[MikePJ76]

8 minutes ago, entropyrules said:

Whike I am not advocate of moving on from Allen he has a point if one believes the Bilsl can't fill the positins of those over the hill or oft injured players in the next 3 years. One has to hope that Allen's level of play doean't taper off as he hits 30 and beyond - he seems like a physical stud so i don't think it will but if it does the poster is not totally wrong with his assertion.

 

Now having said all that the Billls need to take a two year time out and jettison all that dead weight so they can field a complete team in 2026. Yes they'll miss the playoff but with some better draft picks and not falling into the trap of signing high priced free agents Allen could carry them back to the palyoffs in 2026. Oh and they need a new coach but thats kind of a given.

Not to be a jerk but you could not be more wrong.

 

This organization should go out and get the best coaching staff it can and continue to shuffle in players to help.  They should be right at the maxxed out point every year Allen is the qb.  When you have a guy like that at qb...and frankly this offense in general which is pretty outstanding with a very good offensive line, you should  never ever ever be talking about 2 or 3 years down the road and this nonsense about cleaning up the cap.

 

EFF the cap.  Keep it pushed right to the limit.  When you get out from under a few of the big contracts go right out and sign some more.  Worry about the damn cap and all that crap when you are back to having Trent Edwards at QB.  For now You go all in every year until you reach your goal or you go down swinging trying to reach it. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by MikePJ76

[entropyrules]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Not to be a jerk but you could not be more wrong.

 

This organization should go out and get the best coaching staff it can and continue to shuffle in players to help.  They should be right at the maxxed out point every year Allen is the qb.  When you have a guy like that at qb...and frankly this offense in general which is pretty outstanding with a very good offensive line, you should be never ever ever be talking about 2 or 3 years down the road and this nonsense about cleaning up the cap.

 

EFF the cap.  Keep it pushed right to the limit.  When you get out from under a few of the big contracts go right out and sign some more.  Worry about the damn cap and all that crap when you are back to having Trent Edwards at QB.  For now You go all in every year until you reach your goal or you go down swinging trying to reach it. 

well thats the beauty of this site as everyone has a right to an opinion. I doubt that the Bills will get rid of McDermott or do anything drastic with changing the roster. So we shall see if your premise that the cap is not a real hindrance proves out in the next two years. The one thing I would disagree with is I clearly stated I wanted to keep Allen so your comment about Trent Edwards was a bit disingenuous.