Do you wonder if the league is fixed?

[MJS]

It only looks fixed if you are trying to look for it. You'll find evidence because you want to find evidence, not because there actually is evidence.

 

The league is not fixed. How could you get all 32 owners on board? Why would some owners agree to always have a sucky team and never win a superbowl?

 

Now, are there individuals trying to cheat? You better believe it. And that can come from anywhere in the league.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, cage said:

 

Nonsense... Allen is the Madden cover, he's in commercials for the league.  I haven't seen Stroud in anything yet.  "Poster boy" means face that is seen all the time

The current storyline is Stroud. Maybe “poster boy” is the wrong term for him.

 

I agree with those who are saying it isn’t logical for the NFL to fix the game against the Bills. But the calls were ridiculously biased against them.

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

You have sons of ex-refs working the game.  Nepotism is real. Of course it's corrupted!

 

Fixed straight up, no. Buy they push outcomes. 

 

Owners are fined. Ralph was fined $50k in 1998 for speaking out about the "Just Give It To 'em" game in Foxborough.  They were building a new stadium in New England at that time on Krafty's own dime.

 

 

What's amazing is we are building but can't buy a break.  You'd think the League is setting us up to fail...  Or are we just too loyal they know they have us on a leash?

Did you see Alex Smith on this topic? Skewered Brady and rightly so!

 

https://x.com/_mlfootball/status/1728808103553204251?s=42&t=fcgz37_PnkvXe-Cr_UaALg

That’s great!  When I first saw what Brady said, I thought “wait a minute, he just retired”.    It’s not like he retired 10+ years and is comparing eras.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

(Please don't merge this with the thread complaining about the Bills/Eagles officiating.  This is different, with wider scope, and not limited to the Bills.)

 

There have always been suspicions that the NFL is fixed, but this year seems almost blatent.  There have been a ton, a ton of badly officiated games this season, and not just involving the Bills.  The NFL is in bed with Vegas and the gambling apps, that much is fact.

 

So, my question is, what do you believe?  I don't believe the league is outright scripted.  But I do believe they have preferences, and are not afraid to unleash the officials to get the outcomes they want, based on trends.

 

I hate to be that guy.  I hate to think about conspiracy theories.  But the officiating all around the league has been laughably bad/questionable the whole season.

When my wife says "even I can see those bs calls and non calls" something is wrong.  

[Pete]

Just Give It To Them Game- I have wondered ever since if it’s rigged

[PatsFanNH]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

(Please don't merge this with the thread complaining about the Bills/Eagles officiating.  This is different, with wider scope, and not limited to the Bills.)

 

There have always been suspicions that the NFL is fixed, but this year seems almost blatent.  There have been a ton, a ton of badly officiated games this season, and not just involving the Bills.  The NFL is in bed with Vegas and the gambling apps, that much is fact.

 

So, my question is, what do you believe?  I don't believe the league is outright scripted.  But I do believe they have preferences, and are not afraid to unleash the officials to get the outcomes they want, based on trends.

 

I hate to be that guy.  I hate to think about conspiracy theories.  But the officiating all around the league has been laughably bad/questionable the whole season.

No, because if they did the Bills and Dolphins would be neck and neck and both heading for the playoffs. Also the Jets would have managed to stay in the hunt till Aaron Rogers returned. The truth is simple, the refs have gotten worse and the cheap NFL has to make them full time employees and pay them to know the rules inside and out. 

[Pete]

20 minutes ago, MJS said:

It only looks fixed if you are trying to look for it. You'll find evidence because you want to find evidence, not because there actually is evidence.

 

The league is not fixed. How could you get all 32 owners on board? Why would some owners agree to always have a sucky team and never win a superbowl?

 

Now, are there individuals trying to cheat? You better believe it. And that can come from anywhere in the league.

Ever hear of Tim Donaghy?  Don’t be naive

[Ethan in Cleveland]

If you really do think it is fixed,  why do you watch?

[Matt_In_NH]

I don’t, no.  Officiating needs help from technology, it is not a job for humans in real time.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That roughing the passer call should’ve ended the game in our favor. It was a brutally bad call also.

 

 

Not to mention the horse collar not called. Allen's jersey was ripped for Pete's sake!

[BillsPride12]

17 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

When my wife says "even I can see those bs calls and non calls" something is wrong.  

Listening to WGR right now and a guy just called in that was at the game and said even the Philly fans in the crowd were clowning on how bad the Officiating was and couldn't believe they missed the horse collar call 

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 hours ago, Nelius said:

Agreed that it would be way too complex. Way too many moving pieces. These people prove themselves to be regularly incompetent, you can't then assume that they're such maniacal geniuses that they could pull something like that off in front of millions. I think that's largely what you're seeing with the refs - just regular every day incompetence and stupidity.

 

Although with the extreme rise in gambling you could get a few more bad apples Tim Donagy style. Not enough to fix anything, but lone wolf enough to do some weird damage to a game's outcome.

That right there is the easiest way to do it. You already believe it. 

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I think it’s possible that officials ref games in such a way to make sure they stay close for long enough. Which really wouldn’t take some sort of conspiracy theory. You can call penalties on nearly every play and in doing so you can stop drives or start them with very little indication outside of “they’re only human”. It was certainly in the NFL’s interest for this to be a showcase event. It’s entertainment after all. As far as a literal attempt to work the calls towards one side, I don’t see the purpose. In this case the side that got the help was the side that needed it to stay close until they no longer did and magically the whistles slowed down. 

Few years ago there was a lot of blow outs and people weren’t watching the full games. Goodell mentioned something about it. Since then the officiating has been a complete joke with a bunch of calls to keep teams in the games and have them go down to the wire. They’re most definitely influenced by the refs. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The problem with fixing anything is keeping people quiet. You’d need thousands of people to stay quiet. It’s not happening. Thats why I don’t believe it’s possible. 
 

Heck, look what happened to Michigan. When too many people know about something it’ll always get out.

Why would you need thousands of people to stay quiet? You would need the refs and maybe a couple people in the league office. The players and coaches get in trouble if they call out the refs at all. That’s a huge red flag. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[peterpan]

5 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

I will never bet on the NFL again after tonight. Seriously. That is by far the most biased officiating I have ever seen in 20 years. There's not much other explanation for how it could be so bad. I obviously can't prove games are fixed, but I'm also not going to bet on a league where I think they might be.

I told my gambling buddies to put their life savings on the eagles in the Econ’s quarter.  It was obvious who the refs would allow to win, bet accordingly.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Tyler Bass' second miss looked shady last night, too. 

 

The other tweet I wanted to post refuses to embed, I get a little note that says "Twitter does not allow the embedding of that tweet." Interesting...

You see a player score a touchdown and try to throw the ball into crowd and is unable to do so because the ball clings to his glove! He then tries to shake the ball out of his hand and cannot do it. Finally he has to remove his glove and drop it to the ground, still attached to the ball. Someone later picks up the ball and the glove is still attached! Nothing to see there though move along.

https://twitter.com/Emme0703/status/1702358319979991218?t=WSXAkFIIpmFwKvGcifb-_g&s=19

 

Interesting,  now the link has been taken down...🤔

[peterpan]

For everyone using the “it’s incompetence” excuse- why then in a game like last night - is it so lop sided??  If it were just incompetence, it would be more equal.  But when ALL the bad and missed calls - dozens of them - go 100% toward one team, it’s a bias showing.  It’s simple as that.  There was a bias showing through last night. 
 

imagine if  members of this board reffed a Bills game.  Our bias would show through I’m sure of it.  It’s no different. 
 

this happens in other things too.  Like this Israel Hamas war.  The media keeps reporting stories told to them by Hamas, like Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500z. The media has to keep retracting these stories because they are untrue.  But 100% of these retracted stories are anti-Israel.  If it were incompetence some of the retractions would make Hamas or Palestine look bad. But they are 100% in one direction only, and it’s because the media WANTS to believe Hamas and WANTS it to be anti-Israel and so they are quick to confirm their BIAS and report on things that an honest media would not report on, or report accurately.  Their bias is causing them to make bad calls. 

 

A similar thing we witnessed last night. 

[Buffalo Boy]

6 hours ago, The Red King said:

(Please don't merge this with the thread complaining about the Bills/Eagles officiating.  This is different, with wider scope, and not limited to the Bills.)

 

There have always been suspicions that the NFL is fixed, but this year seems almost blatent.  There have been a ton, a ton of badly officiated games this season, and not just involving the Bills.  The NFL is in bed with Vegas and the gambling apps, that much is fact.

 

So, my question is, what do you believe?  I don't believe the league is outright scripted.  But I do believe they have preferences, and are not afraid to unleash the officials to get the outcomes they want, based on trends.

 

I hate to be that guy.  I hate to think about conspiracy theories.  But the officiating all around the league has been laughably bad/questionable the whole season.

Yep

Those who call us crazy 🤷‍♂️

They put their toe on the scale just enough here and there.

The NFL is becoming the WWE and it is to the point that I’m almost done with it. I didn’t get the Sunday Ticket this year and am happy there is no game this week😕

[4th&long]

Definitely after yesterdays game. I have been noticing the bad officiating in other games also. With all the bad and missed calls on Philly yesterday I think it is obvious the officials want their cut off the loot!

[DasNootz]

Was the game outcome “fixed” - I doubt it.  They wouldn’t have called the Kelce false start in crunch time to move them back if it was truly scripted.

 

Are refs taking money to impact betting lines -  it would amaze me if it wasn’t happening given the amount of money involved.

 

Yesterday there were egregiously bad calls made.  New York needs to step in during these moments and correct the on field errors.  The technology and systems exist. It’s worth “slowing down the game” to make the correct calls in my opinion.

[bobobonators]

6 hours ago, The Red King said:

(Please don't merge this with the thread complaining about the Bills/Eagles officiating.  This is different, with wider scope, and not limited to the Bills.)

 

There have always been suspicions that the NFL is fixed, but this year seems almost blatent.  There have been a ton, a ton of badly officiated games this season, and not just involving the Bills.  The NFL is in bed with Vegas and the gambling apps, that much is fact.

 

So, my question is, what do you believe?  I don't believe the league is outright scripted.  But I do believe they have preferences, and are not afraid to unleash the officials to get the outcomes they want, based on trends.

 

I hate to be that guy.  I hate to think about conspiracy theories.  But the officiating all around the league has been laughably bad/questionable the whole season.

The Eagles were 9-1. They didn’t need this win. They’re making the playoffs. 
 

Dont you think the NFL wants Josh Allen in the playoffs?? He’s one of the most exciting players in the league. Of course they want him in the playoffs! 
 

The refs sucked last night. Thats not a Vegas problem. 
 

Also, if the NFL was “in bed with Vegas” you’d think the Raiders would have a winning record for once, no? 
 

This scripted/gambling narrative needs to die once and for all.