Keeping Dorsey blew the season..

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Let me start by saying, there's going to be A LOT of assumptions in this post.

 

Assuming the offense and Josh are back to where we saw them prior to Dorsey being hired, I'm starting to think that the players on the team knew Dorsey was the problem all along and only Diggs had the balls to say something.  If we believe what we hear from the media, Brady is using the same playbook and terminology, just calling the plays to his liking.  This isn't a new system by any means, yet Josh and the offense look magically like they did in 2021.  So, if nothing besides the person calling the plays changed, would that not imply the entire issue was Dorsey's ability to game plan and call plays, not the players or playbook itself?

 

With that, assuming that Dorsey was "Allen's choice" and was let down when Dorsey was fired, is it an issue that Josh didn't speak up sooner?  Or that Josh didn't recognize the issues with the offense sooner?  I understand that players will always take the blame for losses and don't ever throw anyone else under the bus.  But if the problem was as simple as changing the plays, why didn't Josh take more command on the field with audibles or going to management sooner?  

 

I don't think any of this makes sense.  Long story short.  For a simple fix, how was it not called out by the players sooner, unless it was behind closed doors.  

 

 

Read all that for the only thing that made sense in all of it. The very last paragraph where you say “I don’t think any of this makes sense”. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

There is one big problem and it's the coach.  Blaming Allen is so stupid 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Franchise QB's, not named AARON Rodgers, don't call out coaches or teammates. They're expected to lead on & off the field by saying the right things.

 

Now Diva WRs on the other hand can say any damn thing they want.

 

At least, that's the expectation/stereotype.

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

OMG yet another back handed blame Josh Allen post.

 

You guys are going to blame him for the winter being cold soon.

 

I'm not necessarily blaming Josh, but I do see how you would take it that way.  In this scenario, Josh so happens to be the one delivering the plays and commanding the offense.  

 

While I'm happy the offense appears to be back, it just sits weird with me that it was fixed so easily and not really addressed sooner by anyone else

[Wayne Arnold]

Dorsey wasn't the problem.

 

It has always been McDermott. It becomes apparent with each game just how much he stinks.

[Breakout Squad]

I thought Josh looked good last night 

[Roundybout]

I mean the Dorsey hire made all the sense in the world. An in-house guy that worked with Josh through his rise, who knew the system, and who Josh liked. It’s just too bad he has the playcalling acumen of a box turtle. 
 

I don’t think it’s any kind of issue that Josh wasn’t public with it. He strikes me as a guy who won’t be publicly angry or critical. 

[y2zipper]

I think it's a difference in role. As the receiver, Diggs is allowed to be the voice of dissention when they need one. Allen is not.

[Roundybout]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

Dorsey wasn't the problem.

 

It has always been McDermott. It becomes apparent with each game just how much he stinks.

Dorsey wasn’t THE problem but he was a HUGE problem. 

[MPL]

When Daboll left and reports came out that said Josh Allen would be involved in the OC decision, it was assumed that Josh wanted Dorsey to be promoted OC. But perhaps it wasn't something that Josh was advocating for, but rather, something he just went along with. I don't know. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by MPL

[Virgil]

6 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

I thought Josh looked good last night 

 

This has nothing to do with how he looked last night

[fridge]

If Dorsey was the actual problem — then the Miami game and similar beatdowns last year sure seems like a strange outlier.

 

While we are rampantly speculating, I think McDermott put the leash on Josh running this season and lifted it in desperation.

 

It’s too convenient to point to Dorsey when the catalyst is our game choking HC. Two of the dumb losses this year with Dorsey were with Josh trotting off the field with the lead.

[Sherlock Holmes]

12 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Read all that for the only thing that made sense in all of it. The very last paragraph where you say “I don’t think any of this makes sense”. 

Puke on another one of Virgil's posts and we gots a problem...

[Virgil]

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

Puke on another one of Virgil's posts and we gots a problem...

 

It was confusing to write, and I'm sure to read.  I promise, I have a thought in this brain of mine that makes sense.  I'm just trash at articulating today

[HomeskillitMoorman]

It's on McD. But yes, Diggs knew. He's known for a while. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

It was confusing to write, and I'm sure to read.  I promise, I have a thought in this brain of mine that makes sense.  I'm just trash at articulating today

It's OK Virg, I'm trash at articulating everyday

[strive_for_five_guy]

Just because Dorsey can’t call plays and Brady can, doesn’t mean that Josh should also have had the extra burden to call the plays too.  Sure, Josh can audible out of certain looks, but he’s already juggling plenty during a game.

[Yobogoya!]

5 minutes ago, fridge said:

If Dorsey was the actual problem — then the Miami game and similar beatdowns last year sure seems like a strange outlier.

 

While we are rampantly speculating, I think McDermott put the leash on Josh running this season and lifted it in desperation.

 

It’s too convenient to point to Dorsey when the catalyst is our game choking HC. Two of the dumb losses this year with Dorsey were with Josh trotting off the field with the lead.

 

Dorsey's biggest problem seemed to be that the league figured him out and he couldn't adjust his tendencies. The predictability of his play-calling was his undoing. 

 

The more teams think they know what's coming the easier it is for them to be aggressive. 

 

Hell, we had fans on this board calling out his plays before they happened. If couch coaches can see it, you know the real ones can. 

[Since1981]

We have to think about the wider roles and personalities.

 

McD. had the position, responsibility and MUST have personality (Cinci playoff). He failed to act timely. OC debacle is 90% on HC.

Diggs had team position and personality to speak up, and he did but was somehow placated. 

Allen had team position but not the kind of personality to speak up aggressively. Likely did speak-up when the time finally came

 

 

[msw2112]

14 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

I mean the Dorsey hire made all the sense in the world. An in-house guy that worked with Josh through his rise, who knew the system, and who Josh liked. It’s just too bad he has the playcalling acumen of a box turtle. 
 

I don’t think it’s any kind of issue that Josh wasn’t public with it. He strikes me as a guy who won’t be publicly angry or critical. 

 

I agree with this.  It's almost like clockwork that teams promote their QB coach to OC, particularly after a few years of a successful offense and a productive QB.  Hiring Dorsey was the right decision, and there's nothing out of the ordinary with Allen supporting it.  The real question was whether they should have brought Dorsey back for a 2nd season, or whether they waited too long to let him go this season.  Clearly, the offense is much better with Brady calling plays.  The run game is working, guys' talents are being used, players are being "schemed" open, etc.  The wheel route to Cook (which was perfectly thrown and was simply a drop) was a fantastic play call that took what the defense gave them, and was set up by prior calls.  Cook should have waltzed into the end zone.  Those types of calls were not happening under Dorsey.