Giant elephant in room. Beane

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Bagwell358 said:

Execution on first quarter is important too. 
 

 

Sure is, but a fumble does not deserve being benched for 16 plays against a team we could gash in the run. McD being too extra because he has no real instinct on how to handle things.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Bagwell358 said:

He’s been bad. Really bad.

 

cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games.

 

he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. 
 

what else?

Kincaid, Rasul Douglas, Torrence. His drafting prior to this year has been piss poor though

[Bagwell358]

12 minutes ago, BBFL said:

Ok. Go across the league and look at how many teams have players drafted and still on their roster after 3 seasons. It’s not as high as you’d like to believe. 
 

When you average 7.5 draft picks a year and draft 2/3 key players to your team, I’d say that’s a success. Furthermore, when 26 of them are still on your team with another 12 are on NFL teams that means you’ve successfully drafted NFL talent on 38 out of the 45 picks Beane has made since 2018…

 

All of those 26 players, over 50% (58% to be exact), is capitalizing on rookie deals (your exact statement). So what’s the counter point now? They have to be pro bowl or all-pro?

 

Picking NFL talent out of thousands of prospects every year isn’t the cake walk you like to believe. Especially when it’s multiple voices and inputs on the decision. 

Go across the league and give me a percent on how many 1-3 round picks are key contributors and starters. What is the percent on that?

[BBFL]

4 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said:

Go across the league and give me a percent on how many 1-3 round picks are key contributors and starters. What is the percent on that?

No thanks. I’m not the one arguing he’s a failure. I have given you evidence of a majority success rate. 
 

That ball is in your court to provide your argument he’s worse than the rest of the nfl at drafting talent. You got exact numbers that correlate to your rookie contract and drafting statements; something Beane has done. 
 

If you’re going down that route, make sure you point out the amount of first rounders since 2018 who are a) no longer with the current team, and b) no longer in the league. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by BBFL

[Freddie's Dead]

29 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree about Floyd and don't care.  Bean is a defensive minded GM and you're not winning a Super Bowl with a defensive minded GM & Head Coach.  Both Bean & McD must go.  They're wasting the talents of a uniquely gifted QB in Allen.  This alone is a firable offense.

 

Dave Mason time.

[Dr.Sack]

Beane and McD are disconnected on Elam. Clearly that grocery bag was spoiled goods. 

[zow2]

I think we need to admit we have a really great QB who is now back on his game…but the team overall is average, partly due to injuries on D , partly because they have that “unclutch” makeup.  

[RyanC883]

50 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Take the QB off a lot of teams and they aren’t playoff teams. The QB matters 

 

Minny and Pit both doing well without a “franchise” QB.  Although I blame the D picks/ reaches on McD.  This year’s draft looks good so far.  

[TC in St. Louis]

I get it.  People are thoroughly disgusted with the 6-6 record, which would be 7-5 if somebody could count to 11.

 

This team was carefully constructed to be a perennial playoff contender.  They still are.  Losing Daquan, Milano and T White, arguably our best 3 defenders, was a disaster.  Our offense got stale and predictable under Dorsey, and they seem to have come back to life.  Everybody seems to agree that Elam was a dud, but I believe he will become a solid performer.  There are examples of DB's not "getting it" until year 3.  In the mean time, they've got Dane Jackson (7th rounder), Benford (late round pick), and Douglas out there doing pretty well.  Taron Johnson was a great pick.  At least 80% of the players drafted by Beane are still in the league.  

 

Harty?  Well, maybe he'll come around.  I doubt it.  Sherfield has not yet been properly used.  

 

Beane isn't going anywhere, but I get the feeling that McDermott is not long for this team unless they turn this around.  

 

If we somehow make the playoffs, barring severe injuries, I like our chances against anybody.

 

Regarding Knox, maybe when he comes back it will open new doors for this offense.  He is overpaid, to be sure.  But he is a solid player.  I hope he's back next week.  

[Bagwell358]

6 minutes ago, BBFL said:

No thanks. I’m not the one arguing he’s a failure. I have given you evidence of a majority success rate. 
 

That ball is in your court to provide your argument he’s worse than the rest of the nfl at drafting talent. You got exact numbers that correlate to your rookie contract and drafting statements; something Beane has done. 
 

If you’re going down that route, make sure you point out the amount of first rounders since 2018 who are a) no longer with the current team, and b) no longer in the league. 

You are being so stupid I can’t stand it. 
 

if you are seriously crediting beane with identifying NFL talent with the likes of Cody Ford, Kair Elam and Boogie Basham then save anymore of your time and start researching common sense. 
 

should we seriously be celebrating the fact that beane has drafted 3 nfl caliber running backs in 5 years all the first 3 rounds. If you think that is a success you are completely missing the point. 

[Airseven]

2 hours ago, Bagwell358 said:

He’s been bad. Really bad.

 

cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games.

 

he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. 
 

what else?

“Hitting” on Allen essentially amounts to choosing him over Rosen. I guess that deserves some amount of credit.

[Bagwell358]

1 minute ago, Airseven said:

“Hitting” on Allen essentially amounts to choosing him over Rosen. I guess that deserves some amount of credit.

Would he have drafted Allen if he had the first pick?

[BBFL]

Just now, Bagwell358 said:

You are being so stupid I can’t stand it. 
 

if you are seriously crediting beane with identifying NFL talent with the likes of Cody Ford, Kair Elam and Boogie Basham then save anymore of your time and start researching common sense. 
 

should we seriously be celebrating the fact that beane has drafted 3 nfl caliber running backs in 5 years all the first 3 rounds. If you think that is a success you are completely missing the point. 

 

Ok. Go to pettiness, that’s cool. You made a statement, I countered. But instead of providing evidence to support your claim you throw an insult and list 3 players to “back up your claim”. Those 3 players still play and two of them he at least traded for something…

 

I am on record flaming him for the Boogie Basham pick. Was terrible but that doesn’t discount the point that well over half of his draft picks contribute to this current team. 
 

Circle back to your “stupid” point. That falls more on your shoulders for not providing evidence that supports your claim as it is only 6% of all his draft picks. But whatever you want man, you do you, argue and not back up your points fully. It is what it is. 

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

Please do. 

Inherited a non playoff team, takes them to playoff success in his first season

 

Dumps Tyrod for a 3rd, able to use plethora picks to move up and select all pro franchise QB.  Not a good QB, the best in his class.  With maybe 2-3 QBs as good or better than him in the league.

 

Above Average drafts in 2018, 2019, Average in 2020 (considered above average if Diggs deal is included), 2021, 2022, very strong returns for 2023 so far

 

So an above average draft talent evaluator.  In fact, when compared to other teams who are often lauded for their selections (KC, Baltimore), he grades as BETTER than they do (I have a long form post on this somewhere, I can dig it up if needed)

 

Identifying talent: Beane has always been a plus talent identifier.  Even though he has been able to successfully stock the 53 man roster with draft picks, his FA plays are solid.  Brown, Beasley, Williams, McGovern, Morse.  It’s his worst space, but he has rarely completely whiffed. So he is average in this area, and of course it would be awesome to have improvemeant

 

Retaining Talent:  Beanes best area, by far.  He has shown an ability to retain great talent consistently with team and player friendly deals.  Knox, Milano, White, Allen, Diggs, Morse, Poyer, Taron Johnson.  Every time he locks a player down, he makes sure to create the opportunity for flexibility,  and has leveraged it for restructures consistently.  Most every deal he has signed for key talent has shown to be a good/great value deal in hindsight.  He is incredibly strong here.

 

Coaching/Front office: Beane is probably second to San Fran in front office development.  The Bills have lost Daboll and Shoen, have had interviews requested for several others (Frazier, Brady, Dorsey, etc).  His ability to put intelligent people in the room is strong.  It’s not best in the league, but it’s up there.

 

so overall, we have a plus drafter, plus front office manager, plus plus talent retainer, and an average free agent user.  In the highly competitive NFL, that’s top end.

 

 

i am on my phone, so I can’t drive too much more detail, but I’ll end with this: The Bills have the second highest win percentage in the league over the last 3 years, and have done so with a core nucleus that will continue to stay in tact.  Is it perfect?  No. But it’s very good, and something we should be thankful for.

[DrDawkinstein]

25 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Minny and Pit both doing well without a “franchise” QB.  Although I blame the D picks/ reaches on McD.  This year’s draft looks good so far.  

 

Pitt proving our point about how inferior our coaching is. Minny proving the point that teams should hire an Offensive HC.

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Drew21PA said:

How do people watch that game and feel we lack talent?

 

andy Reid coaches this team and we absolutely slaughter the eagles tonight

 

im more encouraged to know this roster is that solid

 

we have an amazing talent pool 

 

McDermott is a loser and why you lost that game tonight and it was in full display why he can’t get it done yet again

 

id almost fire him and hire bill b from New England 

Didn’t Reid lose to the eagles last week?

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Pitt proving our point about how inferior our coaching is. Minny proving the point that teams should hire an Offensive HC.

The Steelers have one quality win on the season - the Ravens.  They have played weak teams, or good teams with bad situations (no Burrow for example).  Their absolute max is a division appearance this season.  And I do believe Tomlin is a top 5 coach in this league.  But they are lucky right now to be 7-4

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Because he tore his ACL.  Was playing great last year before that.

 

Injuries are part of the risk of signing 33 year old players.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, stinky finger said:

You don't need better scouts. The braintrust needs to make offense the priority.

No one on this board is more aware of that then I am.

[Brian Higgins hair]

….Maybe, just maybe when you consistently miss on early round players like Basham, Elam, Epenesa, and destroy the cap by signing aging vets like Miller, Tre and Poyer, this is what happens. You are set up for heartbreak. 
missing on picks happens, but this consistency?

‘McDermott holds a lot of responsibility, but Beane is no GM god.

 

 

 

[Gregg]

Coaching is holding this team back. McDermott should be the fall guy for this. Let Beane make his first coaching hire. If McDermott does get fired and Beane stays, then he will be the next one to go if they don't get it fixed. I know this won't happen, but I would love the hear from Terry Pegula since his opinion is the only one that counts.