Gabe Davis Miscommunication Plays this season

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Allen had a great game.  And without Davis in regulation we have no chance to win.  But if we are going to criticize Davis for one play we can also criticize Josh for that pick.

thank you for admitting Davis screwed up the game winning play.

 

also i am not taking the bait on your moving of the goal posts.  I have to go pull an all nighter for work and have had enough of this tonight already.

[Old Coot]

30 minutes ago, kkim0904 said:

OT throw, I think it was more on Josh than Davis based on the angle and DB position

I agree. The DB has inside leverage and gabe has some but not much separation. If gabe runs inside he's running toward the DB even tho behind him.

[Virgil]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Allen had a great game.  And without Davis in regulation we have no chance to win.  But if we are going to criticize Davis for one play we can also criticize Josh for that pick.

Again, read the original post.  I’m not blaming Davis for the game.  I’m calling out his involvement in what appears to be a large amount of miscommunication plays.  
 

Why we lost the game is in a ton of other threads 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

thank you for admitting Davis screwed up the game winning play.

 

also i am not taking the bait on your moving of the goal posts.  I have to go pull an all nighter for work and have had enough of this tonight already.

I admit nothing of the kind

Just now, Virgil said:

Again, read the original post.  I’m not blaming Davis for the game.  I’m calling out his involvement in what appears to be a large amount of miscommunication plays.  
 

Why we lost the game is in a ton of other threads 

I would have to go back through all the games to see if your premise is accurate

[Baba Booey]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop.  The WR has to make a call in route, and the QB has to make a call.  It could be either.

Davis has to se the middle wide open. Exactly what Josh saw. Davis f$$$ed up!!

[cgg716]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah because Allen never makes dumb plays. Pretty messed up to call a guy dumb when you have no idea who was at fault. Davis was wide open and the d back was playing inside. 

I think it's pretty clearly Gabe at fault here, cover zero vacates the middle. Josh threw to the vacancy. Football 101

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Davis is a free agent. Let him go. 

 

He was a nice #4 piece who is exposed as a #2

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop.  The WR has to make a call in route, and the QB has to make a call.  It could be either.

Nope, he never looked on a hot play, Romo said in that situation the cut is to the middle. When the qb is pressured there has to be a go to play. He ***** it.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

He made a call, Davis made a call.

 

No it wasn't just two players "making a call." Choice routes are very specifically designed in advance to go one way based on the defensive call. On an all out blitz the WR is supposed to go inside. That's why Josh threw it there as soon as he saw the blitz. Romo explained this during the game... And then the broadcast showed Diggs explaining it to a frustrated Davis on the sideline... This was a case of a player that is known for in-game focus issues losing focus, and costing his team a game winning TD as a result.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

I just think Gabe was frustrated, hence helmet slam.  

 

Cb had inside leverage, if he runs that route to the post (like many are saying), then that might have been picked off or incomplete.

 

Bottom line is Gabe wasn't getting to the post.  Eagles have seen us do that already too many times on tape.  There's a reason Gabe, who isn't the most gifted route runner or super athletic, won that corner route easily. Josh just didn't see it/have the time with pressure in his face.

 

Sometimes "option" routes are great/other times this is what happens.  

If Romo immediately calls it out and then see Davis slam his helmet in anger, it’s safe to say it was on Davis.

[PBF81]

Oh good, yet another thread chastising one of the lowest paid starters on the team.  

 

LOL 

 

Sounds like Beane's going to have to pull a Beane, since apparently he can't draft a WR that's worth a siht, and go find one for $20M/year.  

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

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[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If Romo immediately calls it out and then see Davis slam his helmet in anger, it’s safe to say it was on Davis.

While I appreciate and like Romo announcing, he doesn't know exactly and is a former QB/big Allen fan.  He's also prone to defend QB/decisions.

 

Let's see what all-22 shows tomorrow, and revisit.  We will have a perfect view/angle to observe.  Still won't know the "hot read"/read that Gabe and Josh have with that defensive look... but will see if the post was even open.  I'm still in the opinion that the Eagles CB took away that route intentionally, and we weren't completing it anyhow given the CB leverage. 

 

One thing for sure, Billls will start to consider if these "option" routes are worth the risk in critical situations.  It's a heavy focus in our current scheme/Dorseys.

[Jerry Jabber]

But, but…Playoff Gabe! You don’t watch the games! They don’t always throw to Gabe. 🤬😤

 

Bills have invested heavily on defense throughout McDermott’s tenure, but nowhere near enough on WR (except for low tier FA’s and lower round draft picks). It royally sucks to have such a great QB, with a group of garbage WR’s outside of Diggs. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, Jerry Jabber said:

But, but…Playoff Gabe! You don’t watch the games! They don’t always throw to Gabe. 🤬😤

 

Bills have invested heavily on defense throughout McDermott’s tenure, but nowhere near enough on WR (except for low tier FA’s and lower round draft picks). It royally sucks to have such a great QB, with a group of garbage WR’s outside of Diggs. 

Dude is holding onto the past harder than Baby Billy 

[Old Coot]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

No it wasn't just two players "making a call." Choice routes are very specifically designed in advance to go one way based on the defensive call. On an all out blitz the WR is supposed to go inside. That's why Josh threw it there as soon as he saw the blitz. Romo explained this during the game... And then the broadcast showed Diggs explaining it to a frustrated Davis on the sideline... This was a case of a player that is known for in-game focus issues losing focus, and costing his team a game winning TD as a result.

I don't necessarily disagree. That said, however, please explain how Gabe was to run his route inside when the DB has inside leverage. What gabe did was to run away from the DB he had beaten deep. If he runs inside he's moving in the general direction of the DB who then might have a play on the ball.

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

Kincaid was getting a lot of attention on the last drive.  

I needed ten yards to hit a nice parlay so I was hawking him. He was staying into block on at least half the pass plays. 

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Frankly I wish they'd stop doing any choice routes with Davis. Allen and him don't see the game the same way and it costs them far too often with picks, "intentional groundings," and now a surefire touchdown. It's very easy

 

Gabe should of been able to see that there was no one over the middle and taken the space as he did against KC multiple times. Instead he chose to actively make it a tougher throw for Josh by going to the pylon which meant he'd have to float it over the DB.

 
But didn’t Allen say a while back that Gabe was the smartest WR he had played with?

[Trogdor]

7 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I have trouble seeing how Gabe is not to blame on that ot play specifically…if you beat your man quick like that you shouldn’t be running a corner route to bring the sideline into play 

 

not sure about any of the others though 

He would have to turn back into the defender who had inside coverage. He would basically give up being open. 

[Dr.Sack]

Gabe makes the right route he’s a hero. But Gabe came up small when his future was on the line. Someone will pay big $ for a guy who clearly lacks talent and now hate to say it, low football IQ.