Gabe Davis Miscommunication Plays this season

[Chicken Boo]

Gabe is going to cost too much to retain and I feel his spot can be upgraded, but I'm going to defend him here.

 

He ran the correct route.  It's just that he an Allen don't have that kind of chemistry to know what the other is thinking.

 

Rodgers to Adams, for example, and that's a TD.  

[MikePJ76]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

He was a step or two behind and to the inside.  A throw to the inside brings him more into the play.  
 

That play could have won the game.  But it didn’t lose the game.

he was turned around and chasing.  He was beat immediately.  HIs best bet would have been a PI.  

 

The eagles gambled and won.  They knew exactly what they were doing played the odds and won.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

he was turned around and chasing.  He was beat immediately.  HIs best bet would have been a PI.  

 

The eagles gambled and won.  They knew exactly what they were doing played the odds and won.  

 

 

We are not going to agree on this

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

Gabe is going to cost too much to retain and I feel his spot can be upgraded, but I'm going to defend him here.

 

He ran the correct route.  It's just that he an Allen don't have that kind of chemistry to know what the other is thinking.

 

Rodgers to Adams, for example, and that's a TD.  

OMG.

 

Why do you think the options are built into the play?  Its not about chemistry its about seeing the pressure and making the adjustment.

[LABILLBACKER]

Gabe & Sherfield were lost out there all day.  You could see Diggs tell Gabe you were supposed to just turn around,  not cut hard right.  Gabe has disappointed too many times. Sherfield was a joke today.  God are we ever getting a WR2????

[Dafan]

48 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Yes, it could be on Josh.  But again, wouldn’t it be happening more with other receivers?  Why is it consistently Gabe on the other end?

It's not on Josh this time.  When a heavy blitz is called..which was obvious...you pay attention to the qb.  Gabe had blown past his coverage and didn't even look back once.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

We are not going to agree on this

the broncos just beat the bills late with the same situation.  Bills brought pressure, the wr adjusted and ran the go route/9 route whatever and wilson threw it short only to have johnson run directly into him because he was beat immediately, had his back turned and commited the PI.

 

the same thing would have happened here had davis gone inside...its either a simple catch for a game winner or a PI giving them first and goal.  

 

This is not some 50/50 thing.  The eagles were beat on the play and Davis screwed it up. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

OMG.

 

Why do you think the options are built into the play?  Its not about chemistry its about seeing the pressure and making the adjustment.

The options are inside or outside 

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

OMG.

 

Why do you think the options are built into the play?  Its not about chemistry its about seeing the pressure and making the adjustment.

 

There is not an option built into every play.  Gabe had his man beat.  Josh could have thrown to the corner for the TD as well, albeit a harder throw.  

[Best Williams Available]

53 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop.  The WR has to make a call in route, and the QB has to make a call.  It could be either.

In a blitz the middle becomes open. Everyone seems to get this but Gabe Davis.

[JoshAllin]

One of the miscommunication plays that come to mind is last years missed td, interception vs minnesota for the win. It feels like 20/80 with him 20% makes 80% screw ups (including key drops)

Edited November 27, 2023 by motorj

[thenorthremembers]

The irritating thing about the choice route tonight is both options were wide open.  If Gabe runs inside the CB its paydirt.  If Josh throws the post its paydirt.

 

That said, thats three miscommunications in three weeks.  There has been 1 every game for almost a month, not good.

[Coach Tuesday]

55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah because Allen never makes dumb plays. Pretty messed up to call a guy dumb when you have no idea who was at fault. Davis was wide open and the d back was playing inside. 

Romo knew it was an all-out blitz before the snap - Gabe didn’t.

 

/thread /Gabe

[TheyCallMeAndy]

55 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Just stop.  The WR has to make a call in route, and the QB has to make a call.  It could be either.

Correct, it’s just always Allen to Gabe and it’s happened SEVERAL times this season. 
 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm in the minority but I'm not going to bash Davis on these one-off plays. He does a lot more good than bad, and is not even close to the top of our List of Problems.

 

He was fine when he caught the go-ahead TD with 1:50 remaining, and just needing our D to get a stop.

 

I dont think we should give him a big 2nd contract, but I'm not making him my whipping boy over these small things. McDermott has more than earned that title.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

There is not an option built into every play.  Gabe had his man beat.  Josh could have thrown to the corner for the TD as well, albeit a harder throw.  

That is not how the offense is run.  There is an option there.  The bills use routes with options.  

 

He is not going to hang in there and throw to the corner when the play is built to go inside when the pressure comes and the safety is beat.  The corner route is to get away from the safety and beat a zone defense by creating an angle and space where the ball is thrown to the boundary so that only the wr has the play on the ball.  In a typical zone defense the corner would be underneath and the safety breaking to the corner when its thrown.   You know like how the broncos scored on the 4th and goal a few weeks ago

 

This was not a zone defense.  It was an all out calculated gamble they got beat on and Davis blew it.

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The options are inside or outside 

the options are about pressure and the location of the safety or vs a zone the location of sitting corner or dropping linebacker.

 

its not just inside or outside.  Its a number of things.  

 

Tonights play was made by Allen and he should have had a 5th td and a game winner.

[ChrisWatson#21]

They should have called a play to Diggs or Kincaid.  This constant targeting of Davis a struggling player makes no sense.  They had already got lucky once in the game with him odds weren’t in their favor.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

That is not how the offense is run.  There is an option there.  The bills use routes with options.  

 

He is not going to hang in there and throw to the corner when the play is built to go inside when the pressure comes and the safety is beat.  The corner route is to get away from the safety and beat a zone defense by creating an angle and space where the ball is thrown to the boundary so that only the wr has the play on the ball.  In a typical zone defense the corner would be underneath and the safety breaking to the corner when its thrown.   You know like how the broncos scored on the 4th and goal a few weeks ago

 

This was not a zone defense.  It was an all out calculated gamble they got beat on and Davis blew it.

the options are about pressure and the location of the safety or vs a zone the location of sitting corner or dropping linebacker.

 

its not just inside or outside.  Its a number of things.  

 

Tonights play was made by Allen and he should have had a 5th td and a game winner.

Allen had a great game.  And without Davis in regulation we have no chance to win.  But if we are going to criticize Davis for one play we can also criticize Josh for that pick.

[DuckyBoys]

not gonna hammer Davis for one play but he is  involved in a unusually high percentage of picks and screw ups  I am going to question why Sherfield continues to be active  There is no chance in hell Isabella or Shorter cant possibly offer more from those snaps

[DapperCam]

12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Correct, it’s just always Allen to Gabe and it’s happened SEVERAL times this season. 
 

 

Allen and Diggs always seem to be on the same page. I can’t remember an INT or big negative play due to miscommunication between them.

 

Davis and Allen are constantly not on the same page. Occam’s razor says Gabe is the problem.

Edited November 27, 2023 by DapperCam