Kneeling 🧎‍♀️it down with 20 seconds left, one of the best QBs in thr league, and one TO

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Should have had at least two time outs, but I wont dwell on it. Josh faces high safeties often. Its hardly a unique fact situation. Plus that D can be successfully attacked with plays that are relatively risk free. Screens and other flat routes and sometimes even in the middle of the field, time (and TOs) permitting. Our prevent defences get destroyed all the time.

What do you think Andy and Pat would have done? At the end of the day thats the diff between Andy and McD. McD is not the guy to be coaching a team led by a player like Allen. 

the timeout aside…. Make the db read a play, not slip on a wet field and make a clean penalty free tackle 

 

you have the advantage of being able to be very safe in your execution. Make it your safest call possible and let the players play

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Wasn’t everyone just complaining about a Hail Mary to close out a half a mere 8 days ago lol a lot of the criticism on this board is wildly contradictory.  

It’s weird that a large group on the internet is not always in consensus. 
 

that said, I think it was the 2-3 plays before the throw leaving us in a no man’s land where they couldn’t reach the end zone as the actual complaint from the wide majority, if you are trying to be honest

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the timeout aside…. Make the db read a play, not slip on a wet field and make a clean penalty free tackle 

 

you have the advantage of being able to be very safe in your execution. Make it your safest call possible and let the players play

It’s weird that a large group on the internet is not always in consensus. 
 

that said, I think it was the 2-3 plays before the throw leaving us in a no man’s land where they couldn’t reach the end zone as the actual complaint from the wide majority, if you are trying to be honest

This isn’t that large of a group lol and I can absolutely understand the frustration but we are well into criticize everything when we lose regardless of if it is the right thing to do territory.  Not speaking about this specific kneel call…I think you can make a case for doing either…but I have read plenty  ‘the coaches should’ve done this what were they thinking’ type posts that were just absolutely insane this season 😂

[Herb]

20 hours ago, section122 said:

I mean this in all sincerity shut the ***** up

Coach?

[dave mcbride]

On 11/27/2023 at 1:59 PM, Koufax said:

 

Trying to get the ball 40 yards in 20 seconds with one time out involves at least one long developing play downfield against a deep safety prevent defense, so Josh's overall completion / interception numbers are irrelevant.

 

I think you can design a play that puts things in your favor, but getting the ball far enough down field that if it is picked you don't give up points, but it isn't necessarily simple. Strip sack and returnable INT both have a small percentage, and advancing the ball 40 yards in 20 seconds has a small percentage. So whichever path you take the likelihood the score changes is very very small.

 

"how we have fared in overtime the last 6 seasons" is one of the worst small irrelevant sample takes to make a future decision.

 

I'm all for the new age thing of going for 2 to win rather than 1 for overtime, when your chances of 2 are over 50/50 and your chances of winning in overtime are 50/50.

 

But I do not have any reason to think our overtime chances are less than 50/50, so the question should be does not taking a knee give you a larger chance of scoring points than conceding points. Again, that is a debatable point, but with one time out the risk level of advancing the ball far enough and quickly enough doesn't seem like a smart bet. Most likely irrelevant, but I think the chances of conceding points are probably slightly higher than the chances of scoring (maybe 3% something goes bad, 2% something goes great, and 95% nothing happens) 

They literally did it against Detroit last season. The got the ball at their own 25 yard line with 23 seconds and Bass kicked the game winner with 7 seconds left. And the Bills had been shredding the Eagles all night. Plus Allen is quite literally the least sacked QB in the league this season (tied for first with Mahomes with a 3.3 percent sack rate). So it's unlikely he's going to get sacked.

 

Last night, the Bears got the ball with 10 seconds and completed a pass to the Vikes 34, where the WR fumbled because he couldn't get out of bounds. But they didn't have any TOs, and the Bills did.

Edited November 28, 2023 by dave mcbride

[kkim0904]

If McD did not waste time out right before the FG attempt, we would have 2 time out with 20 seconds.

[Golden*Wheels]

Normally I'd be ok with it BUT we had good Josh rolling. F whatever happened to the stupid Jets on Friday. Just try. 

[90sBills]

On 11/26/2023 at 5:08 PM, Bill Grundy said:

Because of the risk of interception and field position. 

 

20 seconds isn't a thing.  It's hysterical to make it one.

 

And if it is intercepted then this thread has a different title and the coach is called a moron. 

 

 

You don’t think much of Allen then? KC scored on them with 13 secs. Then the following year scored with 17 secs before the half ended. They trusted their elite qb to get the job done. Why can’t the Bills? You sound like you agreed with the decision to not trust Allen. 

[90sBills]

On 11/26/2023 at 5:31 PM, thenorthremembers said:

Maybe if the QB has given the coach any confidence that he wouldnt throw the ball to the other team or the kicker had shown that he can kick a long field goal the coach would have went for it.   If Allen throws a int and loses the game everyone is on McDermott for going for it.

If this is really what McD thinks of Allen then it’s a problem. You have an elite qb. Let him try to win the game. Your qb is not some Jets scrub that would throw a Hail Mary pass 15 yds short of the endzone so it could be returned.