McD’s defense is not clutch

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Safety market was pretty barren this offseason.

Besides, McD and co go out and spend a high draft pick or get a big time FA at that position to replace Poyer and we all know what happens next.

Jessie Bates?

Draft?

[zow2]

Never seen a QB leave with a lead more than Allen and lose the games.  It’s disgusting.  Massive chokers on D.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ok so let’s nitpick the offence when they get 34 points and over 500 yards on the road in bad conditions. (Including 2 missed field goals and horrible officiating)

 

Can never criticize St Mcdemotts defence right, they were clutch again in the 2nd half and couldn’t do much more..

Defense was horrible in the second half lol.

 

Turnovers continue to be the second most important stat in football, whether you call it nitpicking or not.

[fridge]

He's done it twice to the Ravens and once to Mahomes. Other than that his defense has essentially rolled the red carpet out when the game is on the line.

[mjt328]

Sean McDermott's defensive system is built to prevent big plays,  confuse the QB and force offenses to gradually work the ball down field.

 

-  It usually works against young/crappy QBs, because they are easily confused and suck.  That's how we build up our stats and high rankings every year.  It doesn't work against the top guys in the NFL (especially in the playoffs).

 

-  It works really good when we have a big lead, because teams have no choice but try and make plays downfield.  That is pretty much the only time we force turnovers, is when we are already piling it on.  It doesn't work well when teams are able to be patient and mix in the run game.

 

-  It ALWAYS FAILS in big moments...especially in overtime, because the 2-minute drill is purposely constructed to beat this kind of defense.  Routes are quick, underneath and to the sideline.  Not pushing the ball downfield in big chunks.

 

 

Over and over, Brandon Beane has poured resource after resource into building a defense that perfectly fits McDermott's desires.  Draft picks and cap space.  The most expensive D-Line in the entire NFL.  And in these situations, we continue to get NOTHING.  No pressure.  Guys wide open.  Over-pursuit and missed tackles. 

 

The stat (0-6 in overtime) says it all.  To win in OT, you absolutely MUST have a defense that can get a stop.  And McDermott's defense CANNOT.  We have seen it again and again and again and again.  

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Jessie Bates?

Draft?

Yeah, and a big money move on a defensive back was certainly something the fanbase would have been happy about.

[Niagara Dude]

McDERMOTT is a clown,  he called timeout on the FG and then kneeled on the ball with 20 secs.  McDERMOTT IS NOT AN ELITE HC ,  he makes too many mistakes in close games and we have seen it all season long.  

[BillsFan130]

Just now, FireChans said:

Defense was horrible in the second half lol.

 

Turnovers continue to be the second most important stat in football, whether you call it nitpicking or not.

Ok so what are you trying to say here?

 

You said defence is terrible and collapsed, agreed.

 

So what exactly are you trying to argue here? Nitpick 1 INT by Josh?

 

Hurts had one INT and a snap exchange which resulted in a fumble.

 

so once again, what are you trying to argue here?

[FireChans]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Ok so what are you trying to say here?

 

You said defence is terrible and collapsed, agreed.

 

So what exactly are you trying to argue here? Nitpick 1 INT by Josh?

 

Hurts had one INT and a snap exchange which resulted in a fumble.

 

so once again, what are you trying to argue here?

I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good.

Edited November 27, 2023 by FireChans

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, FireChans said:

Yeah, and a big money move on a defensive back was certainly something the fanbase would have been happy about.

They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money.  What did they expect to get from Poyer this season?

 

Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best.  Deonte Harty says hello.

[Niagara Dude]

McDERMOTT cost us the season,  his supporters need to stop. Too many examples of late game screwups.  Why is calling a timeout on that 4th down and long FG attempt.

[Einstein]

Ive gone back and forth on letting McD go, because I really like him as a human being and believe there are no clear and obvious improvements out there, but this game solidified my belief that its time for him to go.

He simply got outcoached in the 2nd half.

One coaching staff made changes that resulted in 27 points in the second half and our defensive coordinator (head coach) had 0 answers for it. The Eagles scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions. And 4 of those last 6 possessions were touchdowns.

 

It was the Chiefs divisional game all over again.

[Niagara Dude]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money.  What did they expect to get from Poyer this season?

 

Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best.  Deonte Harty says hello.

Both war's Beane signed have been total useless and we saw it today on limited opportunities

[mjt328]

Just now, fridge said:

He's done it twice to the Ravens and once to Mahomes. Other than that his defense has essentially rolled the red carpet out when the game is on the line.

 

It's all about the scheme.

 

We always play good against Lamar Jackson, because he's not the kind of QB that can take advantage of the holes in our zone system.  It's the same reason we always play terrible against Joe Burrow, because that's his bread and butter.  Quick, fast, underneath throws.

 

Patrick Mahomes struggled to play like this until about the mid-point of the season last year.  He's gotten a lot better at it since our last game.

 

At this point, it's pretty clear that McDermott doesn't have a curve ball.  Our defense is what it is.  The only way we beat teams like the Eagles is by Josh Allen playing totally out of his mind.  And even then, the defense probably chokes it away.

 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, FireChans said:

I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good.

Did you literally not watch the 2nd half outside of the turnover?

 

Eagles went 75 yards in 3 minutes twice.

 

It would have made no difference if the eagles started from their own 10, 25 or the bills 30.

They literally couldn’t stop them the 2nd half and the stats prove that 

 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good.

 

For fugs sake.

Allen played out of his mind. He was magnificent. 

The Eagles had 2 turnovers and won. We had 1 turnover and lost.

 

This game is on the defense - Not Allen. 

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The defense is garbage and has been for some time

 

The bills having a good defense has been a myth for a long time

 

Not one decent QB is worried about it, in fact many prefer it

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money.  What did they expect to get from Poyer this season?

 

Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best.  Deonte Harty says hello.

Poyer came crawling back because he had no market, was relatively cheap, was a locker room leader, knew the system etc.

 

I thought we could do worse than bring him back. Like playing Hamlin, who is actually horrible. 
 

But he’s shot.

 

and Harty was a complete whiff. No arguments here. Lots of blame to go around on the personnel side imo.

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Both war's Beane signed have been total useless and we saw it today on limited opportunities

The 2 3rd down passes to Sherfield were comical, although the first was pretty blatantly DPI

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

For fugs sake.

Allen played out of his mind. He was magnificent. 

The Eagles had 2 turnovers and won. We had 1 turnover and lost.

 

This game is on the defense - Not Allen. 

 

 

He would have won player of the week if MCDs D didn’t choke but buddy wants to talk about one INT