Orlando Buffalo Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't even know what this means. People here seemed all hot and bothered about the general notion that governments restrict freedoms in service of the common good. I pointed out that that's what having a government is all about. It's the opposite of anarchy. You want to make it a crime for drag shows to allow teenagers to attend, even if it's with their parents express permission. In other words, you want to restrict the liberty of people to do what they damn well please in service of your idea of the common good. Perhaps if you showed me one of these comments in this thread you are arguing against I might understand your point. Every comment in this thread I have read is pointing out how the laws about to be pushed for the "common good' are for the good of government, not common good. As for your comments right here, bashing me for getting upset about sexualizing children is not quite the win you think it is, in fact it makes you seem very creepy. 1
OrangeBills Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't even know what this means. People here seemed all hot and bothered about the general notion that governments restrict freedoms in service of the common good. I pointed out that that's what having a government is all about. It's the opposite of anarchy. You want to make it a crime for drag shows to allow teenagers to attend, even if it's with their parents express permission. In other words, you want to restrict the liberty of people to do what they damn well please in service of your idea of the common good. Sometimes, you don't need to get dragged into the details. The American Left is a destructionary device. It's as simple as that. Not build, destroy. You don't understand that becuase you subscribe to this or that little pedantic issue that fills your mind/day, and aren't able to conjure a realistic picture, but that's what's happening and what's further planned. Stop worrying about the little stuff. There should be LESS government, in most all instances 1
The Frankish Reich Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 10 hours ago, OrangeBills said: There should be LESS government, in most all instances Except in those instances where you think there should be more. 11 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: As for your comments right here, bashing me for getting upset about sexualizing children is not quite the win you think it is In other words: there should be more government restrictions on freedom when it fits your idea of the common good. Stop. I won this argument. 1
LeviF Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: People here seemed all hot and bothered about the general notion that governments restrict freedoms in service of the common good. I pointed out that that's what having a government is all about. Indeed. Modern conservatives have this erroneous notion that the general idea of liberty plus the Constitution can hold a nation together until the sun dies. The fact is that liberty can only exist in the context of shared vision of the common good. This concept was noted repeatedly by the founders. The less common the vision of "good" is, the less liberty your society (and therefore your government) may tolerate before it ceases to be functional. In other words, you may pick two of the following: a free society, a functional society, a society in which two or more sizable factions have divergent and incompatible visions of "good." Edited November 30, 2023 by LeviF 1
B-Man Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 IRELAND GOES FASCIST An Irish author has just won the Booker prize: Irish author Paul Lynch won the Booker Prize on Sunday. His novel, Prophet Song, imagines an Ireland that has fallen under Right-wing totalitarian control, and begins with members of the new secret police rapping on the door of a union leader to interrogate him for “sowing discord and unrest” against the government. The reality, of course, is precisely the opposite: The irony is that this is the exact opposite of what is happening in Ireland right now. The government in Dublin is indeed introducing extraordinary new legislation to restrict freedom of speech. But it’s not horrid Right-wingers conspiring to suppress nice, decent liberals. It’s nice, decent liberals scrambling to stamp out the opinions of what they call the “far-Right”. And far from being alarmed by this assault on basic freedoms, the broad swathe of progressive opinion in Ireland is fully behind it, including most voices in the broadcast and print media, and every major party. So the entire elite class, then. Urgency to pass the anti-free speech bill increased after a Muslim immigrant stabbed three children in Dublin, and fed-up working-class Irishmen rioted. More at the link: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/11/ireland-goes-fascist.php . 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: IRELAND GOES FASCIST An Irish author has just won the Booker prize: Irish author Paul Lynch won the Booker Prize on Sunday. His novel, Prophet Song, imagines an Ireland that has fallen under Right-wing totalitarian control, and begins with members of the new secret police rapping on the door of a union leader to interrogate him for “sowing discord and unrest” against the government. The reality, of course, is precisely the opposite: The irony is that this is the exact opposite of what is happening in Ireland right now. The government in Dublin is indeed introducing extraordinary new legislation to restrict freedom of speech. But it’s not horrid Right-wingers conspiring to suppress nice, decent liberals. It’s nice, decent liberals scrambling to stamp out the opinions of what they call the “far-Right”. And far from being alarmed by this assault on basic freedoms, the broad swathe of progressive opinion in Ireland is fully behind it, including most voices in the broadcast and print media, and every major party. So the entire elite class, then. Urgency to pass the anti-free speech bill increased after a Muslim immigrant stabbed three children in Dublin, and fed-up working-class Irishmen rioted. More at the link: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/11/ireland-goes-fascist.php . Its not hate speech these governments are concerned about addressing because the target of citizen anger is directed at the government. Officials want to define hate speech as any expression of criticism of their actions and policies along with calls for them to be held accountable. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Except in those instances where you think there should be more. In other words: there should be more government restrictions on freedom when it fits your idea of the common good. Stop. I won this argument. You truly think children being sexualized is not an issue that government should be involved in? You are creepy and pathetic. Also believing government is too involved in general is not the same thing as stating that it does not have an obligation to protect children. I will explain it to like you are a 5 year old: once someone is legally an adult if they want to do just about anything, so long as it does not directly impede someone else's right to live free, they should be allowed, but children need to be limited in what they can see and participate in. You seriously are the first person who argued that my being upset about 8 year old being sexualized makes me the problem. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted December 1, 2023 Posted December 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: You truly think children being sexualized is not an issue that government should be involved in? You are creepy and pathetic. Also believing government is too involved in general is not the same thing as stating that it does not have an obligation to protect children. I will explain it to like you are a 5 year old: once someone is legally an adult if they want to do just about anything, so long as it does not directly impede someone else's right to live free, they should be allowed, but children need to be limited in what they can see and participate in. You seriously are the first person who argued that my being upset about 8 year old being sexualized makes me the problem. You sound like that Moms For Liberty menage a trois lady. https://flcga.org/florida-gop-chair-christian-ziegler-husband-of-a-moms-for-liberty-cofounder-accused-of-battery-by-alleged-menage-a-trois-lover/
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 1, 2023 Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: You sound like that Moms For Liberty menage a trois lady. https://flcga.org/florida-gop-chair-christian-ziegler-husband-of-a-moms-for-liberty-cofounder-accused-of-battery-by-alleged-menage-a-trois-lover/ You linked to the wrong article, the one you posted stated in the 6 weeks since the allegation were initially made that none of the allegation have been substantiated. But back to your original comments, what other reasons besides "common good" do you think laws have been passed? 1
LeviF Posted December 1, 2023 Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, B-Man said: The Irish government has simply decided that its constituents are not the Irish, but random Africans that happen to wash up on their shore. 1
aristocrat Posted December 3, 2023 Posted December 3, 2023 https://x.com/sarahsansoni/status/1729900999861494049?s=46&t=WfwBbfFkRiZZWCMxTdpkOw realize where the word is going. Ruin a girls entire life and receive no punishment 2
Tommy Callahan Posted December 5, 2023 Author Posted December 5, 2023 14% of the people commit 40% of the crime 1
yall Posted December 7, 2023 Posted December 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: This shouldn't be all that surprising. A lot of the Irish have identified with the Palestinian people as sharing a similar plight. While I don't agree, I also don't think this is comparable to what's being discussed in this thread relative to immigration.
Tommy Callahan Posted December 12, 2023 Author Posted December 12, 2023 Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. – George Orwell The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. – George Orwell 1984. Appendix. Global society rests ultimately on the belief that Big Brother is omnipotent and that the Party is infallible. But since in reality Big Brother is not omnipotent and the party is not infallible, there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The keyword here is BLACKWHITE. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to BELIEVE that black is white, and more, to KNOW that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. – George Orwell 1
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