Has Josh Allen reached his ceiling?

[AZSanta]

6 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Not if that person has no clue what he’s talk about. Senior. 

Yea okay go cry to mommy the mean internet guy said something no so flattering about Joshy

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Everybody loves the Mahomes comparison this year who clearly isn't having a great year and nobody would say for a second that he is. So then they use that logic to justify Josh not having a great year and how all QB play is down.  But what about the Purdy, Tagovailoa, Wilson, Prescott, Cousins, on it goes. Players in the top 10 in QBR this year who are not having nearly the rate of games this year so bad that winning is all but lost. Sure all QB's have them. They just don't have them at these rates. 

 

 

 

How about Tua?

 

3 best games: 10 TD's 1 INT, 345 ypg 71 %

 

All other games: 11 TD's 7 INT's 271 ypg 69%

 

How about Dak?

 

3 best games: 11 TD's 2 INT's 360 YPG 73%

 

All other games: 8 TD's 4 INT's 217 YPG 69%  

 

Crazy yardage differential with Dak

 

See how ridiculous it is to take away a QB's 3 best games? Do it for every QB and you basically get the same result I am sure. Allen is no different than the other QB's in that regard. So it's not just about Mahomes having a down year this year. 

 

Allen's career losses vs Mahomes and Burrow. That's interesting.  Maybe it is because he is forced to shoulder more. Maybe it is something else.  But I'd be more interested in the breakdown of his career losses since 2020. We all know Allen was half the QB he is today and became since 2020. His rookie year, throwing the ball to guys out of the league the following year after his rookie year. 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

How about Tua?

 

3 best games: 10 TD's 1 INT, 345 ypg 71 %

 

All other games: 11 TD's 7 INT's 271 ypg 69%

 

How about Dak?

 

3 best games: 11 TD's 2 INT's 360 YPG 73%

 

All other games: 8 TD's 4 INT's 217 YPG 69%  

 

Crazy yardage differential with Dak

 

See how ridiculous it is to take away a QB's 3 best games? Do it for every QB and you basically get the same result I am sure. Allen is no different than the other QB's in that regard. So it's not just about Mahomes having a down year this year. 

 

Allen's career losses vs Mahomes and Burrow. That's interesting.  Maybe it is because he is forced to shoulder more. Maybe it is something else.  But I'd be more interested in the breakdown of his career losses since 2020. We all know Allen was half the QB he is today and became since 2020. His rookie year, throwing the ball to guys out of the league the following year after his rookie year. 

Regardless the standard is out of control

 

It's not enough that he's statistically the top QB in the league, he needs to be the top QB every single week...just not realistic

 

 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

How about Tua?

 

3 best games: 10 TD's 1 INT, 345 ypg 71 %

 

All other games: 11 TD's 7 INT's 271 ypg 69%

 

How about Dak?

 

3 best games: 11 TD's 2 INT's 360 YPG 73%

 

All other games: 8 TD's 4 INT's 217 YPG 69%  

 

Crazy yardage differential with Dak

 

See how ridiculous it is to take away a QB's 3 best games? Do it for every QB and you basically get the same result I am sure. Allen is no different than the other QB's in that regard. So it's not just about Mahomes having a down year this year. 

 

Allen's career losses vs Mahomes and Burrow. That's interesting.  Maybe it is because he is forced to shoulder more. Maybe it is something else.  But I'd be more interested in the breakdown of his career losses since 2020. We all know Allen was half the QB he is today and became since 2020. His rookie year, throwing the ball to guys out of the league the following year after his rookie year. 

You realize in losses Allen is among the worse QB's in the league in QB rating since he has joined the NFL? 

[oldmanfan]

No he hasn’t.  To reach the ceiling and break through it will involve the mental vs. physical.

[Southern_Bills]

Maybe he has, but what does it matter? Allen is good enough to win a Super Bowl, he was 2 years ago.

 

So to imply he hit his Ceiling and that's why we can't win is crazy. 

[bigK14094]

JA is a top 5 QB and can win a superbowl some year(s) depending on the support crew.  Ride w Josh until he stops playing.

[AZSanta]

14 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

Maybe he has, but what does it matter? Allen is good enough to win a Super Bowl, he was 2 years ago.

 

So to imply he hit his Ceiling and that's why we can't win is crazy. 

Im not implying that at all as a matter of fact I said I think we can win a Super Bowl with him and his current stats. What post are you reading?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

24 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You realize in losses Allen is among the worse QB's in the league in QB rating since he has joined the NFL? 

Not surprised.
 

He does have a lot of variance. As mentioned he was half the QB he is today, in his first two years in the league. Would be interested in if the numbers are better, worse or the  same since 2020 compared to his career.

 

So you are just going to die on that mole hill that removing Allen’s three best games somehow shows something meaningful compared to the other QB’s having their three best games removed? They all show huge drop offs when that is done. 
 

 

[Mikie2times]

 

The point was Allen plays worse than most when he's not on and the variance is too extreme. I don't think that is really debatable when you look at rating in losses.  

11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Not surprised.
 

He does have a lot of variance. As mentioned he was half the QB he is today, in his first two years in the league. Would be interested in if the numbers are better, worse or the  same since 2020 compared to his career.

 

So you are just going to die on that mole hill that removing Allen’s three best games somehow shows something meaningful compared to the other QB’s having their three best games removed? They all show huge drop offs when that is done. 
 

 

 

[billsfan89]

I honestly don’t think Josh has reached his ceiling. He has some of the best if not the best physical tools of any QB to play the game. That’s along with the mental and mechanical tools to put that all together. So his ceiling is having all time great seasons. Similar to the year Mahomes had in 2018 or Brady had in 2007.
 

Josh’s closest year to that level of production was 2020 but I think he can do better than that. I think a season with 40+ TD’s sub 8 INT’s is the type of season I would say is Josh’s ceiling. 
 

[Don Otreply]

He will reach his peak when he has an GM,HC and OC that continually work to capitalize on his and his offenses skill sets, until then he will not have peaked. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

[90sBills]

12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly don’t think Josh has reached his ceiling. He has some of the best if not the best physical tools of any QB to play the game. That’s along with the mental and mechanical tools to put that all together. So his ceiling is having all time great seasons. Similar to the year Mahomes had in 2018 or Brady had in 2007.
 

Josh’s closest year to that level of production was 2020 but I think he can do better than that. I think a season with 40+ TD’s sub 8 INT’s is the type of season I would say is Josh’s ceiling. 
 

He doesn’t have the mental capacities of Brady or Mahomes. This is where he can grow. 

56 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

Im not implying that at all as a matter of fact I said I think we can win a Super Bowl with him and his current stats. What post are you reading?

I agree with your assessment. Bills can win a Superbowl with Allen but this is who he is at this point. There isn’t any untapped potential waiting to be unleashed after 6 years starting. There’s nothing wrong with that btw. 

[Dunkirk Donski]

Pretty sure Gosh Allen can touch my ceiling.  This thread is dumb

Edited November 23, 2023 by Dunkirk Donski

[nedboy7]

I dont think Josh has reached his peak but this board might have reached a new low in self hating. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

@GunnerBilldont just throw those disagree emojis around, jump on in lol

 

i mean we got Allen's peaked/he drinks too much/doesn't put in the work in the offseason/can't control his emotions...something for everyone😂

 

I just don't think he is mentally in a great space. I don't think it is football related. I don't know what it is. But his behaviour has been odd all season. And not compared to anyone else compared to him in previous years.

[Heitz]

Josh got No Ceilings, much like Weezy.  

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, AZSanta said:

Sorry you dont like my post. It seems to be well received by the more mature members of the group.

tell us what’s unique about your premise?

[VW82]

From a pure impact standpoint, I think yes. He hit his ceiling two years ago and has regressed slightly since the elbow injury last year. Like it or not, Josh will never be as dangerous escaping the pocket or with designed runs as he was in his early-mid twenties. 

 

That said, he hasn't hit his ceiling as a passer imo, and I fully expect him to get incrementally better at traditional QB things as he ages. 

[Prospector]

I was able to reach the ceiling at my house when I was like 11 years old. I’m sure Josh was probably the same