How To Defend The Eagles QB Sneak

[nedboy7]

Giving up a few 3rd&1 situations is most likely not relevant in who wins this game.  Our offense needs to score. 

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I may be mistaken, but I'm almost positive they did sort of an end around with it a few weeks back. Hurts handed it to one of the upbacks standing next to him. Pretty sure it was Philly but could have been another team.

 

I know the Raiders did it a couple weeks ago.  Handed it off to Jacobs.

 

My plan would be to have the defensive linemen get low and stay low. Try to plow low and grab Hurts' leg.  Have LBs right behind them shoving them.  Have DBs behind them shoving them.   DO NOT try to jump over. Probably the worst thing you could do. you have no leverage. Hope for the best.

 

Sure they could run some kind of fake, but as good as they are doing it and them being 9-1 would they really want to in a non conference game? I would think not. Save it for playoffs.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Agreed.

 

I have writ this sentiment here in the past and got lambasted for it.  One who historically is wildly variable in results (reflective of his overall game)  at it is Josh Allen, he can either be have and incredible effort as he did versus Dallas on Thanksgiving, just not make it like vs Jax a year ago or a disaster as he did versus Minnesota last year.

 

And against Tennessee the year before that.

 

I disagree about Brady did. This a totally different animal than what Tommy the cheater did.  There is no comparison.

[Thurman#1]

It has been stopped.

 

"How the Detroit Lions stopped the Bears' Tush Push, and why it might matter come playoffs"

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2023/11/20/detroit-lions-stopped-chicago-bears-tush-push-play-philadelphia-eagles/71654436007/?gnt-cfr=1

 

The Commanders got Hurts to fumble, also.

 

The problem is that the more you sell out and put in only huge defenders, the easier it is for Hurts to just sprint around the end instead. I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy to use that alternative if teams sold out enough.

 

 

[Utah John]

11 hours ago, Alpo Chino said:

I don't think they've been stopped with 1 yard to go when using this play so far. Basically undefendable. A HUGE advantage that you're guaranteed a 1st down whenever you face 3rd or 4th and short. But there HAS to be a way.. right? The best way I can think to battle that play would be come up with a whole new different defensive front. You need to get as big and as strong as possible. Leave the normal goal line DLine in. But sub out LB's and put Torrence and Dawkins in. And have them right on the butts of the DT. And when the ball is snapped they just plow into the pile and try and push it back or create a roadblock of sorts. Almost like a reverse tug of war... A push of war? And once you've stalemated the push, you can have guys jumping over the pile, like you see now, and try and drag Hurts down. To stop something innovative like their version of the Qb sneak, you need to be innovative yourself. Could this work? Does anyone have any other ideas?

I like the creativity, but if the Eagles see their opponent subbing offensive linemen in for LBs, they can just shift out of the push formation into a regular formation and run a play.  The defense will not have any LBs on the field, and will end up giving up a TD instead of a first down.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Giving up a few 3rd&1 situations is most likely not relevant in who wins this game.  Our offense needs to score. 

 

 

In key situations it really could make the difference.

 

But yeah, you're right. We need to score, and not a little bit.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, 947 said:

I coached against a youth team who used the tush push as one of their primary plays, they'd get 10+ yards sometimes. Aiding the runner was illegal, but the refs refused to call it all year. After they got us with it a few times, I figured out the solution- cut the Center. I had one of my DTs immediately dive into the Center's legs on the snap, the QB & most of the OL would fall over him into a pile. After 2 attempts of no gain and their Center limping back to the huddle, they gave up on it.

 

I'm sure Kelce doesn't want 300lb guys falling into his knees, so even if it doesn't completely stop them, at worst it'd be a deterrent.

 

 

I don't think you can get under Kelce on that play. He's going to be about five inches above the ground, lower if you try to get under him. You can get as low, but I doubt you get under.

 

A lot of the reason Philly's so good at this is that Kelce is really good at what needs to get done.

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

What is the leagues conversion rate on 3 and 1? Is this stupid play (did you ever have your shite pushed in) that much better?

 

 

Around 65%.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-fourth-down-conversion-chart-rate-by-distance/vofkeub6xwms6imajxqkfipp

 

90% is a lot higher.

[MJS]

Stop them on earlier downs. 1 yard has never been difficult for teams to convert on anyways.

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

And against Tennessee the year before that.

 

I disagree about Brady did. This a totally different animal than what Tommy the cheater did.  There is no comparison.

Ok, but Brady was basically unstoppable on the QB sneak as well, so there is something to compare there. The reason Brady was so good was because of expert execution by him and the oline. They just were so dialed in and knew how to do it so well.

 

That is how it is for Philly too. Other teams can't replicate what they do.

[John from Riverside]

You defend it by not allowing them to get in for third and short

[Gunsgoodtime]

15 hours ago, Alpo Chino said:

Give them the old "swistum"

[BuffaloBill]

 

Shows every Eagles “tush push” this season.

 

They really have perfected the play. Hurts makes it work as Minshew was not as effective. 

[Mr. WEO]

Yeah, just have Dawkins leap over the pile…

[frostbitmic]

Keep them in 3rd and 4th and long ... But by doing that they'd have us right where they want us.

 

On the goal line you need to push the Center and both Guards backwards at the snap.

Edited November 23, 2023 by frostbitmic

[Playoffs?]

What if our DLinemen immediately pull their OLine down.. no resistance at all… then our linebackers jump the pile and have a clean shot at the QB?  Would have to happen very, very quickly… but just maybe….

[Jerome007]

It' a thing of beauty. When they talked of banning it, I was WHAT??

 

That OLine is something else. Even at the goaline, all of the linemen are in the endzone!

 

Joseph will have some a fun challenge if it happens.

 

If the Bills have time, why not put 7 DL for that play? Just for giggles. They probably won't have time but it'd be great to see.

[frostbitmic]

The LBs could do some tush push of their own 😉

[plenzmd1]

21 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

If they want to pull that on the 1 yard line it would be worth of few personal fouls. Just sayin. 

agree with this 100%...there are some dumb rules in the NFL and this one is top of list for me. I can commit 15 personal fouls in a row, and only lose 1/4 inch. Would absolutely make them pay with a crushing hit before the snap when it's goal to go.