Tiberius Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: The 11th Commandment: Thou shalt make sense. 12th Commandment Thee shall not post in folly 1
Niagara Bill Posted December 13 Posted December 13 25 minutes ago, TH3 said: And here we are….trying to be a fundamentalist Christian country No, just facing reality. The Trojan horse.
Tiberius Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Why can't these women stay in the country? Half a million dollar fine? This is just harassment of poor people and a case of scapegaoting poor innocent people Stupid thuggery Biden is such a better man than Trump https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/1183528143/four-immigrants-who-sought-sanctuary-in-churches-no-longer-face-deportation-fine "A group of undocumented immigrants who sought sanctuary in churches to avoid deportation has reached a settlement with the Biden administration that will allow the women to stay in the U.S., at least for now. During the Trump administration, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement issued massive civil fines against these immigrants — nearly half a million dollars, in some cases — as part of a broader crackdown on illegal immigration. But the Biden administration reversed course and stopped issuing fines. Now the administration is going a step further: It's agreed to settle a lawsuit brought by the four women who allege that they were targeted for retaliation because they spoke out publicly about their cases. The women took sanctuary in churches in Texas, Utah, Ohio and Virginia. Sponsor Message Politics Trump Administration Hits Some Immigrants In U.S. Illegally With Fines Up To $500,000 "This was never about collecting money," said Alina Das, the co-director of the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University School of Law, which helped bring the lawsuit. "These women spoke out against a horrific policy, and they spoke out not only for themselves, but for others," Das said in an interview with NPR. "Now they're finally being given the opportunity for a clean slate to be free from the threat of deportation." Under the settlement made public on Wednesday, the Biden administration has agreed to give temporary protection from deportation for three years to Hilda Ramirez, Vicky Yulissa Chávez-Fino, Edith Espinal Moreno and María Chavalán Sut. "I now have these three years that I can actually enjoy with my son," said Ramirez, who fled Guatemala with her son Ivan, to escape from his abusive grandfather. For nearly eight years, they have been living at St Andrew's Presbyterian Church in Austin because she feared they could be arrested and deported after her asylum request was denied. Immigration authorities generally do not make arrests inside churches, schools and hospitals under a policy dating back more than a decade. Around 50 immigrants are thought to have taken sanctuary in churches during the Trump administration, although the numbers are smaller now. The settlement only applies to the four women."
Niagara Bill Posted December 13 Posted December 13 41 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are talking in circles, they can't but they can? What's the point of an order allowing government press gangs to go into churches, schools and hospitals if they are not going to use it to go into churches, schools and hospitals? And yes, Catholic Churches, and some Prod ones too, do house immigrants. You can call these poor oppressed people fleeing oppression "criminals" if you want, but they just want a better life for themselves We are easily absorbing the immigrants who work hard, help the economy, help society and don't really commit that much crime at all. A mass round up would just be evil. I doubt Trump does it, he just wanted your vote now he can care less what happens You are not easily absorbing migrants. Visit some large cities. You cannot afford this absorption. You have drug issues and homeless issues that need the attention. Controlled immigration is wise. Uncontrolled migration is wrong. Fir goodness sake You will not allow an apple to cross your border brought in by one of your citizens, but allow uncontrolled flow of migrants. the world is experiencing migration like never before. It is dangerous, unnecessary from our seats. Don't bury your head, it will be too late. Our civilization is built on control, not this.
sherpa Posted December 13 Posted December 13 54 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are talking in circles, they can't but they can? What's the point of an order allowing government press gangs to go into churches, schools and hospitals if they are not going to use it to go into churches, schools and hospitals? And yes, Catholic Churches, and some Prod ones too, do house immigrants. You can call these poor oppressed people fleeing oppression "criminals"....... Being a church does not allow you to subborn or support illegal activity, nor determine what it is or isn't, nor decide what laws the nation has in place are to be abided by. Some churches do it becasue the gov has not decided it's worth it to go after them. That may change, and I hope it does. Aiding in an illegal activity is itself a crime. Want to do it? Risk losing your tax exempt strategy as a fist step, and more personally punitive punishment next. 1
TH3 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: No, just facing reality. The Trojan horse. So you must be thinking I should not have hosted the Islamic family that fled Afghanistan in 2000. He was a translator for the US effort. He would have been killed. He now lives in CA with his family and is a productive citizen. He is a very smart guy and his daughter is super high IQ.
Motorin' Posted December 13 Posted December 13 20 minutes ago, TH3 said: So you must be thinking I should not have hosted the Islamic family that fled Afghanistan in 2000. He was a translator for the US effort. He would have been killed. He now lives in CA with his family and is a productive citizen. He is a very smart guy and his daughter is super high IQ. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this translator and his family didn't sneak across the Southern border without vetting and immigration approval? 1
TH3 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this translator and his family didn't sneak across the Southern border without vetting and immigration approval? Ya …all those Islamic terrorists pouring over the southern border🤣 Next thing you know they will set up crime families that we will make movies and HBO series about and everyone will celebrate them. Edited December 13 by TH3
Motorin' Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, TH3 said: Ya …all those Islamic terrorists pouring over the southern border🤣 Next thing you know they will set up crime families that we will make movies and HBO series about and everyone will celebrate them. Buckle up *****lehead.
Niagara Bill Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, TH3 said: So you must be thinking I should not have hosted the Islamic family that fled Afghanistan in 2000. He was a translator for the US effort. He would have been killed. He now lives in CA with his family and is a productive citizen. He is a very smart guy and his daughter is super high IQ. No, he was vetted. It was controlled. Like I said all nazi were German. How do you tell them apart. Scrutiny. Not mass migration. Not hateful Islamic fundamentalists. Keep the numbers manageable. You must admit there is extreme risk and we have no reason to accept any risk. There is nobody presently in any Islamic country that has value to the west. Some, like your friend can become valued, but that risk is very low. Remember, it is the only religion that preaches death to others.
BillsFanNC Posted December 13 Author Posted December 13 All of the illegal aliens are from Mexico and Central/South America dontcha know? 1
TH3 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 5 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: All of the illegal aliens are from Mexico and Central/South America dontcha know? So ….you confirm the concept that these guys are looking for work and a better life 6 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: No, he was vetted. It was controlled. Like I said all nazi were German. How do you tell them apart. Scrutiny. Not mass migration. Not hateful Islamic fundamentalists. Keep the numbers manageable. You must admit there is extreme risk and we have no reason to accept any risk. There is nobody presently in any Islamic country that has value to the west. Some, like your friend can become valued, but that risk is very low. Remember, it is the only religion that preaches death to others. Meh…just say you can’t stand Islam and own it
Niagara Bill Posted December 14 Posted December 14 15 hours ago, TH3 said: So ….you confirm the concept that these guys are looking for work and a better life Meh…just say you can’t stand Islam and own it Ok
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted December 14 Posted December 14 15 hours ago, TH3 said: So ….you confirm the concept that these guys are looking for work and a better life Meh…just say you can’t stand Islam and own it Yeah because coming in through the southern border illegally is the best path for a better life? If I steal because I'm looking for better food am I in the right?
Tiberius Posted December 14 Posted December 14 On 12/13/2024 at 8:12 AM, sherpa said: Being a church does not allow you to subborn or support illegal activity, nor determine what it is or isn't, nor decide what laws the nation has in place are to be abided by. Not under Trump anyway. Those Catholic Churches--and Prods, too--were just told they can now be invaded. You support that obviously. Ok, fine. _________________________________ A softer, nicer Trump on Dreamers
Wacka Posted December 14 Posted December 14 (edited) On 11/24/2024 at 9:22 PM, 4th&long said: ***** ‘em. Get them all out of here. They should do dna testing, if you have any South American blood lines you are gone. Great great grandparents were illegals? Get out. Great grandparents? Get out. If you have any family that worked on a farm? Any family that hung out in the Home Depot in the morning looking for a contractor to pick you up for day labor? Get out! I guess kick me out. Maternal grandfather (born 1888) was working on a family farm ib Pokand .Came in through Ellis Island ~1910. You must live in CA or someplace warm. I don't see any illegals hanging around HD or Lowes here in WNY. Why don't you and other commies get up and go back to the utopia Mother Russia? Edited December 14 by Wacka 1
Tiberius Posted December 14 Posted December 14 On 12/13/2024 at 8:01 AM, Niagara Bill said: You are not easily absorbing migrants. Visit some large cities. You cannot afford this absorption. You have drug issues and homeless issues that need the attention. Controlled immigration is wise. Uncontrolled migration is wrong. Fir goodness sake You will not allow an apple to cross your border brought in by one of your citizens, but allow uncontrolled flow of migrants. the world is experiencing migration like never before. It is dangerous, unnecessary from our seats. Don't bury your head, it will be too late. Our civilization is built on control, not this. Things are going pretty good actually. Trump is inheriating a super strong economy and these immigrants are filling all the job openings. Trump won't want to ruin Biden's fine economy by unnaturally choking off the flow of labor. Get government out of the way and let the laws of economics take over. 2
Doc Posted December 14 Posted December 14 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Things are going pretty good actually. Trump is inheriating a super strong economy and these immigrants are filling all the job openings. Trump won't want to ruin Biden's fine economy by unnaturally choking off the flow of labor. Get government out of the way and let the laws of economics take over. Where?
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