Fixing the Officiating

[JoPoy88]

I love how we are now being schooled in the nuance of US gambling laws here. 
 

“See actually, the NFL is this not that and blah, blah, blah…” 

 

This was examined and litigated to death in actual courts with actual lawyers and actual experts after the Murphy ruling. It’s legal. And the refs were terrible before it was legal. 
 

please find something else to cry about.

[Fleezoid]

There's always this option.......

 

[Mr. WEO]

28 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

With their sudden expansion/explosion into the sports betting world and their now close relationship with Vegas, the many terrible, game deciding penalties are starting to look suspicious. 
 

Some say that the NFL is completely clean and on the up and up. Others swear the whole thing is entirely scripted and the lure of Vegas money is too big a temptation to ignore. 
 

The shield doesn’t seem to mind the grumbling, as the revenue has also massively expanded. Sports betting has been good for the NFL. 

 

SPORTS betting…but the NFL isn’t a sport. It’s entertainment. As a matter of fact, betting on entertainment (like the WWE) is illegal in the US. 

 

So the obvious solution is to confront the NFL and tell them that unless they reclassify themselves as a sport, they cannot participate in sports betting.

 

That should lead to more oversight/management of the refs to ensure unbiased game officiating. 
 

Just a Sat morning thought. I’m sure there are a million reasons why it won’t work, but I’m still feeling salty today, almost a week later. LFG BUFFALO!!

 

jeez, where to start??

 

First, the NFL doesn't "participate in sports betting" (anymore than they are participating in the manufacture of pickup trucks or beer)..betting companies are sponsors no doubt paying huge fee for the partnership.

 

Second, the ALL pro sports are simply entertainment and nothing else. Differentiating between "sport" and "entertainment"  is a meaningless exercise.  A casino, by definition, is a place of entertainment (literally, filled with "games" one can play)---and obviously legal betting happens there.

 

Third, Congress has no interest in reigning in the NFL--try campaigning on that.

 

 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

jeez, where to start??

 

First, the NFL doesn't "participate in sports betting" (anymore than they are participating in the manufacture of pickup trucks or beer)..betting companies are sponsors no doubt paying huge fee for the partnership.

 

Second, the ALL pro sports are simply entertainment and nothing else. Differentiating between "sport" and "entertainment"  is a meaningless exercise.  A casino, by definition, is a place of entertainment (literally, filled with "games" one can play)---and obviously legal betting happens there.

 

Third, Congress has no interest in reigning in the NFL--try campaigning on that.

 

 

BUT BUT BUT he heard somewhere that football be the same as wrasslin’ so we need to really, REALLY look into this now that these refs be making all these bad calls, ALL OF A SUDDEN!

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

There’s too many guys on the field who can throw a flag.  All it takes is 1 over-officious jerk to affect the outcome of a game.  NBA has 3 refs.  It’s much easier to get 3 guys to work in unison.  That’s what’s missing in the NFL.  One guy on the crew gets flag happy and forces the other 7-8 refs to do the same.  It’s almost impossible to get a 7-8 man crew to work in unison where they’re all calling the same type of things in a game.  

10-player to 3 ref ratio

 

22 players on the field using the same ratio suggests        wait for it       7 refs in an nfl game. 

Square feet of an NBA court to cover 4700 square feet.  Square feet of football field = 57600. Based on size of field of play, the NFL would 37 referees to have the same coverage. 

 

The idea that three people could cover the field, while on the field, seems crazy.

Here is my crazy idea:

have 66 refs watching on monitors, rather than from on the field, with three people monitoring each player.  Similar to Olympic boxing scoring, all three need to signal a penalty on the player they are watching, and there is 1 or 2 people on the field designated to throw the flag.  If three people in real time agree a penatly happened, it is almost certain it is a penalty. 

66 people may sound like a lot, but given there are 60,000 people in the stadium and millions watching on TV, its not really that big of a number. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

BUT BUT BUT he heard somewhere that football be the same as wrasslin’ so we need to really, REALLY look into this now that these refs be making all these bad calls, ALL OF A SUDDEN!

 

who the F is betting on the WWE, by the. way??

 

lol

[JTown]

I would like to see less officials on the field and more officials in the booth.  Typically, during a game the broadcast crew has reviewed the play before the ball is even spotted. 

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

10-player to 3 ref ratio

 

22 players on the field using the same ratio suggests        wait for it       7 refs in an nfl game. 

Square feet of an NBA court to cover 4700 square feet.  Square feet of football field = 57600. Based on size of field of play, the NFL would 37 referees to have the same coverage. 

 

The idea that three people could cover the field, while on the field, seems crazy.

Here is my crazy idea:

have 66 refs watching on monitors, rather than from on the field, with three people monitoring each player.  Similar to Olympic boxing scoring, all three need to signal a penalty on the player they are watching, and there is 1 or 2 people on the field designated to throw the flag.  If three people in real time agree a penatly happened, it is almost certain it is a penalty. 

66 people may sound like a lot, but given there are 60,000 people in the stadium and millions watching on TV, its not really that big of a number. 

Not saying 3 people can cover an NFL field, just laying out the problem the NFL has in getting 7-8 refs to work in unison.  I’ve always felt the NFL you should have eyes on every player.  Throwing a flag without having eyes on every player becomes a completely arbitrary thing and is what drives real fans of the game crazy.  

[JoPoy88]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

who the F is betting on the WWE, by the. way??

 

lol

Right. The “point” if you want to call it that people here and elsewhere are now clinging to is things like the WWE and NFL are both classified as “entertainment” or some such similar definition. Except they’re not. Not nowhere in the various laws that govern legal sports gambling will you see the NFL and the WWE as equivalent or in the same class. They are distinct and what you can bet on is subject to various state laws, not one overarching federal law. 
 

basically some salty fan after the Eagles game went on truth social and scrolled around too much and this is what we get here now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Edited December 2, 2023 by JoPoy88

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, JTown said:

I would like to see less officials on the field and more officials in the booth.  Typically, during a game the broadcast crew has reviewed the play before the ball is even spotted. 

This weekend the Ohio High School football State championships are being played at the Hall of Fame stadium in Canton.  There are 7 divisions (sorted by school size) so 7 championship games are played in all.  It's televised state wide and I try to watch most of the games.  In all the games replay is used.  BTW it's only used for these games no others.  So far after 4 games replay has successfully overturned multiple big mistake by the on field officials. It's safe to say that in 2 of the 4 games the replay has been the difference.  

 

So yea, a move to reduce on field officials and replace them with enhanced sky in the eye reviews would be better. 

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

who the F is betting on the WWE, by the. way??

 

lol

Huh...who isn't?

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

BUT BUT BUT he heard somewhere that football be the same as wrasslin’ so we need to really, REALLY look into this now that these refs be making all these bad calls, ALL OF A SUDDEN!

 

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

who the F is betting on the WWE, by the. way??

 

lol

It sounds like you guys are insinuating wrestling is fixed🤣

[Saxum]

On 11/21/2023 at 10:14 AM, ddaryl said:

A.I. Coming our way soon regarding officiating.

 

A.I. is how AWS gave us our current schedule with home game in London with Jaguars having home game week before and current gauntlet of playoff contenders in a row.

[oldmanfan]

You will never be able to add enough technology to make calls foolproof and have games that last 3 hours.  No matter what is done there will always be a measure of human interpretation and error.  So for me?  Get rid of replay, accept that human error is part of the game, only call egregious penalties, and move on.

[Billsfan1972]

CFL is a little smarter and it would work easily in the NFL.  Simply the "Command" Centre should make a review and make it quick.

 

https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/instant-replay/coach-initiated-reviews/#:~:text=A coach can challenge any,catches%2C fumbles%2C recovery of fumbles 

 

Would have been fun vs. the Eagles to see the crew exposed.

[dgrochester55]

It's not just questioning whether games are fixed, it is bad calling altogether.   There are some games where it feels like there is a flag every other play.    I dislike the Jets, but I had sympathy for their fans when they were blatantly robbed in the Chiefs game/Taylor Swift cross promotion earlier this year.   I know a few non Bills fans who felt that the officiating in Sundays game was an embarrassment.

 

I propose a system similar to a PFF rating for players based on call consistency, bad calls and non calls where an independent party reviews each performance after a game.   If a ref is above a set high number, they get the bigger games, if they fall below a set low number,  they are fired, suspended or "benched". 

 

Whatever they decide, something needs to be done. 

[Dancing Fool]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Right. The “point” if you want to call it that people here and elsewhere are now clinging to is things like the WWE and NFL are both classified as “entertainment” or some such similar definition. Except they’re not. Not nowhere in the various laws that govern legal sports gambling will you see the NFL and the WWE as equivalent or in the same class. They are distinct and what you can bet on is subject to various state laws, not one overarching federal law. 
 

basically some salty fan after the Eagles game went on truth social and scrolled around too much and this is what we get here now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

*Reads your post*

*Looks at start date on thread*

*Re-reads your post*

 

Huh. Well you do seem rather confident, so who am I to disagree?

[Old Coot]

No meed to fix officiating. It's already "fixed".

[st pete gogolak]

I started this thread to make a point, probably not very articulately, that the refs have way to much say so in the outcome of games and given the amount of money now bet on NFL games that can be very dangerous indeed.

 

Can their influence be diminished?  I think it could. Eliminate ticky tack calls on PI, defensive holding and illegal contact, reduce the severity of certain penalties, be more consistent as to what offensive holding is, etc.  Not sure there is the will to get this done as long as the money keeps rolling in.

[Figster]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you want to see how that kind of system works.........follow the NBA.

 

The players run that league and they lobbied hard to have power over officiating by being able to review just about everything.    It's slowed the game down and that power has turned the players into outright intolerable assh*les to the officials all game.........which in turn then leads to technical fouls and ejections..........which creates drama and alters scores/outcomes........which ultimately has the same effect as bad officiating.    

 

Adding missed or wrong calls to the red flag challenge brings about a more uniform way of officiating throughout the league. Officials want to cast a blind eye on penalties they get challenged. Bad officiating becomes easy to identify and removed If deemed necessary. It doesn't slow down the game because the rules to its usage remains the same. Players, coaches, fans. We all deserve fair officiating.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Figster