Steelers fire Canada

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, loyal2dagame said:

I'm just concerned if this helps or hurts the Bills playoff chances

probably hurts, TBH

[DapperCam]

Just now, RiotAct said:

probably hurts, TBH

Yep, hard to imagine the Steelers offense getting worse.

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

probably hurts, TBH

 

It's a good question, but I'm not sure changing OCs makes Pickett's decision making better or faster, or improves the pass protection of their OL.

 

I would tend towards "push"

 

OTOH we have seen a change of some sort improve an offense (Fitzpatrick taking over for Trent Edwards at QB when I would have said our OL was pathetic).

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Captain Hindsight]

38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I wanted to like him but he made me worried as a prospect. Mediocre measurables, baby hands.  Older guy who had one good season in college. I thought he had backup all over him and he went in the first. You can only do so much with a limited qb.

It was a really bad year to need a QB

 

Pickettt

Willis

Ridder

Howell

Corral

Zappe

Thompson

and some dude named Purdy 

[wppete]

Dorsey will be their next OC. 

[TheFunPolice]

2 coordinators?

 

Like the old saying goes, if you have 2 OC you don't have 1

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

The weird thing is Tomlin just defended the play calling on the final “drive” against the Browns where every play was a pass. He said that he had no problem with the play calls, but also made it clear that they were Canada’s by saying he did not intervene. I guess that was some BS and they were the final straw. 

 

Good coaches don't want to 1) feed the press 2) throw their own people under the bus.  Wasn't McDermott saying positive things about how he had full confidence in Ken Dorsey like, the day before he fired him?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, uninja said:

 

Ah yes, the ol' Judge/Patricia combo. I mean at least for the Steelers the two coaches are offensive position coaches and not a ST coach and a former DC.

 

That was just a total CF of a situation in NE.

 

Miami did something more analogous to what the Steelers are trying in 2021, making TE coach Godsey and RB coach Studesville joint OCs.

[Captain Hindsight]

18 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

2 coordinators?

 

Like the old saying goes, if you have 2 OC you don't have 1

 

 

Probably a passing game coordinator and Run game coordinator type deal. I’m sure they will decide who is calling plays as the week goes on. Probably Sullivan as he has done it before. 
 

Seeing as Canada was so bad, this is likely an improvement 

[Beck Water]

56 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have a buddy who is a Pitt alum and fan, and was not crazy about him for those reasons.
 

He’s looking like he has a Matt Schaub ceiling.

 

It's not a fair comparison because Schaub spent 3 years on the Atlanta bench before getting a chance to start with Houston.  But then he logged several >4000 yd seasons with mid-60s completion % and a couple of pro-bowl appearances back when it meant more.  Then of course injuries finished him in his early 30s.

 

Totally under-appreciated QB in his prime, though, IMHO.

 

So far, Pickett hasn't entered the room to look up at Matt Schaub's ceiling.

[Captain Hindsight]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

It's not a fair comparison because Schaub spent 3 years on the Atlanta bench before getting a chance to start with Houston.  But then he logged several >4000 yd seasons with mid-60s completion % and a couple of pro-bowl appearances back when it meant more.  Then of course injuries finished him in his early 30s.

 

Totally under-appreciated QB in his prime, though, IMHO.

 

So far, Pickett hasn't entered the room to look up at Matt Schaub's ceiling.

Schaub had a pretty rough ending to his time in Houston, but when he was in his prime he was a very good QB there

[DuckyBoys]

Pickett is terrible   They will figure that out hopefully in 2 more years, lol

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's not a fair comparison because Schaub spent 3 years on the Atlanta bench before getting a chance to start with Houston.  But then he logged several >4000 yd seasons with mid-60s completion % and a couple of pro-bowl appearances back when it meant more.  Then of course injuries finished him in his early 30s.

 

Totally under-appreciated QB in his prime, though, IMHO.

 

So far, Pickett hasn't entered the room to look up at Matt Schaub's ceiling.

OUCH! You won’t even give Pickett a chance at a Matt Schaub ceiling.  
 

(in all seriousness, I agree— Schaub has that stretch where he was a legit starter). 

[MasterStrategist]

All Steeler fans are rejoicing here in Pittsburgh today.

 

But only the smart/realistic ones understand the problems are primarily tied back to Kenny Pickett.  He's Zach Wilson 2.0, with less talent.

 

Some chatter about Trubisky taking over, if Pickett lays another egg this weekend.

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Good coaches don't want to 1) feed the press 2) throw their own people under the bus.  Wasn't McDermott saying positive things about how he had full confidence in Ken Dorsey like, the day before he fired him?

 

I understand all that. I thought it was telling when I heard the quotes for exactly those reasons. He basically said that he didn’t disagree with Canada’s calls and then made it very clear that they were Canada’s calls and Canada’s calls alone. 

[Beck Water]

22 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

OUCH! You won’t even give Pickett a chance at a Matt Schaub ceiling.  
 

(in all seriousness, I agree— Schaub has that stretch where he was a legit starter). 

 

I mean, like I said, it's not totally fair, since Schaub got that Aaron Rodgers/Pat Mahomes bench-and-learn apprenticeship in Atlanta, while Pickett got thrown into the fire Week 4 of his rookie year.

 

My point was just that a Matt Schaub ceiling is actually a pretty good player.

 

16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I understand all that. I thought it was telling when I heard the quotes for exactly those reasons. He basically said that he didn’t disagree with Canada’s calls and then made it very clear that they were Canada’s calls and Canada’s calls alone. 

 

OK, I getcha now.  Expressing support, but then dissociating himself.  Did McD do anything similar in his pressers close to the Dorsey firing?

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Dablitzkrieg]

Shut your fooking face uncle fooka

Edited November 21, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

What??  Not even the Steelers never firing people during the season could save his job...there must have been some behind the scenes stuff going on as well...

 

So people are saying the offensive players were complaining about Canada and it had reached a place where they weren't keeping it 'in house'

 

It's an interesting point that I haven't heard speculation about "behind the scenes" stuff with the Bills....is that in part because McDermott and Beane seem to firmly believe "loose lips sink ships" and seem to do a pretty good job cultivating a culture where players "keep things in house"?  But surely there was some...I find it hard to believe that a coach who displayed the emotional control breakdown that Dorsey did up in the booth after the Heat Stroke loss, and that had multiple players talking about "The Holy Spirit comes out of him", didn't have some "in house" stuff going on that came out after some of our close losses.

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

OK, I getcha now.  Expressing support, but then dissociating himself.  Did McD do anything similar in his pressers close to the Dorsey firing?

 

 

That’s a great question. I’ll have to look when I have time. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They saw what happened last week with us and were like "yup, we need some of that".

 

Long overdue, but watch the media...Tomlin will NOT be accused of using him as a scapegoat. 

Tomlin has SuperBowl hardware!