Defending the brotherly shove

[WideNine]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You can’t. 

 

Show me where.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-ruleb

 

 

[Beast]

Linvall Joseph will stop it.

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

Linvall Joseph will stop it.

prepare to eat these words

[Bray Wyatt]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Watching the chiefs game.  I really think the eagles are successful because all guys on offense are working together to push Hurts into the endZone while the defense has a bunch of individuals trying to make a play.   It seems like the defense should match power with power and defenders should push the DTs. No idea if it would work but why not try something different since literally nothing works to defend it.  

 

I said the same thing to my buddies in a group text. The chiefs DL seemed to get the stop initially (or at least it looked more like a normal sneak), then that extra wave is just too much for them to stop on their own. I figured the only way to fight that push is to have a push of your own. Those linebackers that dive over the pile take away from that.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

The only way you stop it is to get a hit on Hurts. With folks pushing him from behind and slamming him from the front somethings going to give. Easier said than done.

 

Their LG is awfully quick off the ball too.

[Bob Jones]

This pushing/pulling by teammates on a guy with the ball needs to be banned ASAP. And it happens all over the field too, not just at the goal line or on short yardage situations.

 

My guess is that it wont be though, unless someone get seriously hurt in one of these instances.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

29 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Show me where.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-ruleb

 

 

It’s not rule thing it’s a talent thing. I don’t understand why this is such a topic of discussion. What the Eagles do is great because of who’s running it. It’s the same as Tom Brady sneak. Brady is probably the only QB in history that runs that quick sneak and it works 99% of the time. No one else even tries it.

[stlbills13]

I don't have a problem with the play concept. I do think the Eagles line up illegally and/or move early at times. But that could be said a lot in a typical game. 

 

If you really want to stop it you have to sell out and put 11 big guys out there. Who cares if hurts pulls it out and throws and easy td to a wr. Same result as them just sneaking it in and maybe you get lucky on an easy drop

 

Another way to stop it is probably to play dirty. Even if hurts scores, a late hard hit makes you think to do it again later 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Bob Jones said:

This pushing/pulling by teammates on a guy with the ball needs to be banned ASAP. And it happens all over the field too, not just at the goal line or on short yardage situations.

 

My guess is that it wont be though, unless someone get seriously hurt in one of these instances.

They definitely have to start throwing flags if a player starts pulling Hurts in though. I’ve seen it a few times and no call. It’s literally illegal.

[Bob Jones]

Just now, stlbills13 said:

Another way to stop it is probably to play dirty. Even if hurts scores, a late hard hit makes you think to do it again later 

Agreed. No one knows what happens deep down in the middle of that scrum. 😉

[Matt_In_NH]

17 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

I said the same thing to my buddies in a group text. The chiefs DL seemed to get the stop initially (or at least it looked more like a normal sneak), then that extra wave is just too much for them to stop on their own. I figured the only way to fight that push is to have a push of your own. Those linebackers that dive over the pile take away from that.

Exaxtly!   I would like to see someone attack it differently.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Bob Jones said:

Agreed. No one knows what happens deep down in the middle of that scrum. 😉

Oil check.

[DisplacedBillsFan]

I’d love to know who actually started this play. Do the Eagles get credit just because they do it the best? I’ve seen several mentions of them inventing it last year, but I specifically remember Daboll calling this play and it was Knox pushing Allen. That would have to have been the 2021 season at the latest.

[WideNine]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s not rule thing it’s a talent thing. I don’t understand why this is such a topic of discussion. What the Eagles do is great because of who’s running it. It’s the same as Tom Brady sneak. Brady is probably the only QB in history that runs that quick sneak and it works 99% of the time. No one else even tries it.

 

I disagree.

 

I don't think it is rocket science and it is less a talent thing and more physics.

 

They have 2 300+ lb O-Linemen pushing Hurts and defenses are using 190-200 lbs LBs and Safeties to fill and get push on their DL.

 

The DL will be at a disadvantage every time.

 

It will work till they change the rules, or teams find the right counter punch to nullify the gimmick.

 

The NFL has always been this way aka "sugar huddles" and "wildcats".

 

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by WideNine

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Am I the only person who's noticed that many times Hurts is on top of pile and getting pushed across?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

I don't have a problem with the play concept. I do think the Eagles line up illegally and/or move early at times. But that could be said a lot in a typical game. 

 

If you really want to stop it you have to sell out and put 11 big guys out there. Who cares if hurts pulls it out and throws and easy td to a wr. Same result as them just sneaking it in and maybe you get lucky on an easy drop

 

Another way to stop it is probably to play dirty. Even if hurts scores, a late hard hit makes you think to do it again later 

 

People would care when it’s anywhere on the field but the goal line lol they run that play all over the field 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[LarryMadman]

Not a fan, if I wanted to watch rugby scrums I would watch rugby. Run a damn football play not that crap, I guess thats ok occassionally but not every 3rd or 4th and short, c'mon!

[dpberr]

I'd expect there will be a rule that says you can't fake it once the offense has established its position or a limited number of times you can use it in a game, like timeouts. The defense should have the opportunity to leverage without having to simultaneously be prepared for a fake.

 

Everytime Philly runs that play, Jason Kelce has the offensive and defensive lines resting on top of his body. That adds up. 

[C.Biscuit97]

It’s just funny that only one team can do it without getting hurt. So why should the eagles get penalized for it? Should we ban passing because the Jets suck at it?

 

and you have your DTs get super lover and have LBs leap. 

[Gary Marangi]

Here's what you do. One of the Bills jumps over grabs Hurts and sunset flips him

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Gary Marangi