Josh is effin back. He says so himself.

[Since1981]

9 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

 

I did see a more confident and energetic Josh again. I think deep down, he knew this move had to be made to

 

Agree. It’s not in his JA DNA to dump on a guy he believed in for OC. let’s hope this entire kirfuffle was a bad OC fit.  
 

a 23 yr HC UNC won D1 field hockey champion Sunday. Anything is possible. 

[Don Otreply]

I think Josh is F—-ing relieved that Dorsey is gone, 

[Logic]

The quote, the fresh haircut, the vigorous post-TD celebrations, particularly with Shakir...

It's safe to say Josh might be feeling good this week. As Josh goes, the Bills go, so...

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I believe ANY/A is still the QB stat most correlated w winning

 

I don't keep up on the stats.  For outright winning, could be so - I seem to recall you beating the drum for it pretty heavily some years back.  It didn't fit what I was trying to do in looking at QB performance, since it accounts for sacks - which may or may not be under the QB's control.  And I believe its creators have played around with the weighting on TDs vs INTs a couple of times? weighting TD more heavily and INT less.

 

But ANY/A ultimately makes the same fundamental point in rebuttal to the post I was responding to - it includes both TDs and INTs (with whatever weighting is being used) - reinforcing the point that any reasonable assessment of QB performance can not just "dismiss the QB's TDs because of the turnovers". 

 

They both matter, and if there are "enough" passing TDs (whatever that means) it compensates for "few enough" INTs (whatever that means) - that's my take-home.

 

If you prefer to use ANY/A, Josh is #8 in the league right now.  Herbert is #9, Mahomes is #11, Hurts is #12, Lawrence is #15, Burrows is #21.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Mister Defense]

As Buffalo now gets better and better and better, something that happened only rarely the last year and a half, and quickly return to contender form,  it will become clearer and clearer (to those who still don't admit it) that Dorsey was an historically bad, incompetent OC.  He will never again have anything more than a minor coaching job in the NFL, if that. 

 

The whole offense is back, have hope again, with one swift move.

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Mister Defense

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

As Buffalo now gets better and better and better, something that happened only rarely the last year and a half, and quickly return to contender form,  it will become clearer and clearer (to those who still don't admit it) that Dorsey was an historically bad, incompetent OC.  He will never again have anything more than a minor coaching job in the NFL, if that. 

 

The whole offense is back, have hope again, with one swift move.

 

 

 

 

You know, I just don't see how people can see that.  Sorry.

 

Last season, our offense was #4 in the NFL for both points and yards with Dorsey at the helm. 

 

This season, we're currently #4 for points and #2 for yards.  Various knowledgeable people, including former NFL QBs and some coaches who hang here and are generous enough to share what they know, have broken down plays this season and shown that there were open options on many pass plays that Josh overlooked, and that our running offense has been effective from the formation utilized (shotgun).

It's not to say that there weren't real reasons for Dorsey's firing, that he isn't just a scapegoat and that the Bills offense may potentially run better under Brady.  It's possible - I need more than 1 game to see that, especially since we "settled" for 4 FG including with 2 starts in great field position. 

 

But I've been a Bills fan since the mid-60s and "historically bad, incompetent" for Dorsey is a tough sell.  You can can argue anything, including that the moon is made of green cheese - but De Rules are de rules and the Facts are the Facts and the argument for "historically bad" doesn't pass muster against the actual offensive parameters.

 

 

[Captain_Quint]

1 hour ago, msw2112 said:

Don't look now - I saw an article recently stating that "iconic jingle is coming back" and guess which one?  Maybe Josh can score another endorsement deal.

I thought they swept the baby under the rug in the Spring?? 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

I think Josh is F—-ing relieved that Dorsey is gone, 

 

I imagine Josh has mixed feelings. 

 

I do think there may have been something amiss, a kind of negative feedback loop between Josh's own self-criticism and Dorsey's possible over-the-top outbursts in response to mistakes (as witnessed in the booth 2022 and implied by comments from Mitch Morse, Gabe Davis, and others).  Others like @Simon have raised the point about apparent miscues and mistakes from other players pointing to a lack of attention to detail in offensive coaching.

 

And, Josh has been observably "impatient" - more his early career self - rather than taking what's there.  It's possible that's because any coaching to do so was couched in a way Josh found difficult to hear and to process and implement.  Josh is a guy who succeeded against a sheet-ton of negative coaching input early in his career, it stands to reason at a certain point he's going to tune negatively packaged feedback out and just return to his basic instincts.  Maybe that's what we've been seeing.

 

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The quote, the fresh haircut, the vigorous post-TD celebrations, particularly with Shakir...

It's safe to say Josh might be feeling good this week. As Josh goes, the Bills go, so...

 

I'd just like to point out that there's something else going on - Josh's shoulder injury and recovery from it.

 

In 2020, Josh injured his L shoulder Week 4 and his performance dipped the next 4 games.  Then 5 games later (note that number) against the Seasnakes, Josh kicked butt and took names in the passing game.  Matt Hasselbeck commented about this based on his own experience with this shoulder sprain injury and its recovery timeline.

 

OK, so Josh sprained his R throwing shoulder in Week 6 against the Giants.  5 games later against the Jets (note that number), Josh is noticeably feeling more vigorous and energetic and is observed saying what sounds like "I'm ***** back".

 

Maybe it's the change of OC, but maybe the progression of healing in his shoulder has something to do with it.  Just a thought.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'd just like to point out that there's something else going on - Josh's shoulder injury and recovery from it.

 

In 2020, Josh injured his L shoulder Week 4 and his performance dipped the next 4 games.  Then 5 games later (note that number) against the Seasnakes, Josh kicked butt and took names in the passing game.  Matt Hasselbeck commented about this based on his own experience with this shoulder sprain injury and its recovery timeline.

 

OK, so Josh sprained his R throwing shoulder in Week 6 against the Giants.  5 games later against the Jets (note that number), Josh is noticeably feeling more vigorous and energetic and is observed saying what sounds like "I'm ***** back".

 

Maybe it's the change of OC, but maybe the progression of healing in his shoulder has something to do with it.  Just a thought.

Excellent post! I hadn't thought of that at all, to be honest.

Great, great point. Thanks.

[Warcodered]

57 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

As Buffalo now gets better and better and better, something that happened only rarely the last year and a half, and quickly return to contender form,  it will become clearer and clearer (to those who still don't admit it) that Dorsey was an historically bad, incompetent OC.  He will never again have anything more than a minor coaching job in the NFL, if that. 

 

The whole offense is back, have hope again, with one swift move.

 

 

 

Adam Gase and Nathaniel Hacket have been hired numerous times in the NFL.

[boater]

17 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Amazing what a haircut does to a guy

Yeah, that's why I get a buzz cut every 5 weeks. I'd go more often if the barber weren't so expensive.

 

No. 1 on the sides. No. 2 on top. A habit from my military days.

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Over that punk Gardner too!

 

 

You're right, Gardner is a punk. I didn't like seeing Diggs get slammed, but it had a silver lining in seeing Gardner lose his cool.

 

I had to Google the word suplex.

[2003Contenders]

18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Love it, he needs that confidence and swagger back!  

 

Funny, the Shakir pass is one of those wow plays that even a fraction of a hair off was an INT where people would be killing him...but when Allen is on and confident, he hits those so much more often than he doesn't.  

 

The real question is how will Allen, Brady, and the offense respond when there is a hiccup and things aren't going great?  Can they keep that swagger, adjust, and come right back like they used to or will they get in a rut again like they did during that 6 week slump?

 

Personally, I think this is the start of a full turn around for this offense.  

Agreed.

 

One thing I will say that impressed me was the fact that the offense DID struggle a bit early in the game -- having to settle for field goals that kept the Jets in the game at just 9-0, despite the Bills' domination. Rather than panicking or trying to force the ball in those situations, they played it smart, got points each time -- and ultimately broke the Jets will in the 2nd half.

[PBF81]

28 minutes ago, boater said:

Yeah, that's why I get a buzz cut every 5 weeks. I'd go more often if the barber weren't so expensive.

 

No. 1 on the sides. No. 2 on top. A habit from my military days.

 

Have the Mrs. or someone in your family do it.  I can't do it myself like some people can.  I look like some stoned person gave it to me.  LOL  

 

I taught my wife how to do it, takes a few minutes for her now.  

 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I imagine Josh has mixed feelings. 

 

I do think there may have been something amiss, a kind of negative feedback loop between Josh's own self-criticism and Dorsey's possible over-the-top outbursts in response to mistakes (as witnessed in the booth 2022 and implied by comments from Mitch Morse, Gabe Davis, and others).  Others like @Simon have raised the point about apparent miscues and mistakes from other players pointing to a lack of attention to detail in offensive coaching.

 

And, Josh has been observably "impatient" - more his early career self - rather than taking what's there.  It's possible that's because any coaching to do so was couched in a way Josh found difficult to hear and to process and implement.  Josh is a guy who succeeded against a sheet-ton of negative coaching input early in his career, it stands to reason at a certain point he's going to tune negatively packaged feedback out and just return to his basic instincts.  Maybe that's what we've been seeing.

 

 

I'd just like to point out that there's something else going on - Josh's shoulder injury and recovery from it.

 

In 2020, Josh injured his L shoulder Week 4 and his performance dipped the next 4 games.  Then 5 games later (note that number) against the Seasnakes, Josh kicked butt and took names in the passing game.  Matt Hasselbeck commented about this based on his own experience with this shoulder sprain injury and its recovery timeline.

 

OK, so Josh sprained his R throwing shoulder in Week 6 against the Giants.  5 games later against the Jets (note that number), Josh is noticeably feeling more vigorous and energetic and is observed saying what sounds like "I'm ***** back".

 

Maybe it's the change of OC, but maybe the progression of healing in his shoulder has something to do with it.  Just a thought.

Thats a lot of words to say what i said…, 

[blacklabel]

Heh heh, Josh Wick.

[blacklabel]

18 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Says guy on couch.

 

Hey, youse better watch it, pal. He said all is NOT forgiven. So... Josh owes him something, clearly. Do youse wanna owe him something as well, Ricardo?! Ricardo Cranium!!

[TheBrownBear]

I just booked a haircut with my barber for this afternoon.

 

Also, does Shakir remind anyone else of Andre Reed with the ball in his hands?

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

I just booked a haircut with my barber for this afternoon.

 

Also, does Shakir remind anyone else of Andre Reed with the ball in his hands?

Only if he had bigger shoulder pads…, 

[Bferra13]

12 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

If he shaves, he could become invincible.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:

Agreed.

 

One thing I will say that impressed me was the fact that the offense DID struggle a bit early in the game -- having to settle for field goals that kept the Jets in the game at just 9-0, despite the Bills' domination. Rather than panicking or trying to force the ball in those situations, they played it smart, got points each time -- and ultimately broke the Jets will in the 2nd half.

Yes excellent points too, and I was all for the FG to go up 9.  Keep the momentum, make it a 2 score game, and take points.  Especially with the Jets offensive struggles, making it a 2 score game was big there.