Allen makes history again- this is a big 1

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

no one cares, He is hollywood now....also he is fat and can't run...plus he lost his fire for the game and is the reason for all 5 losses and was just along for the ride for the 6 wins.  

Personally I have jumped to Houston.   

 

That is what is like to read this board the past month.  

Love what Houston is doing. Scratch built team. 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, BaaadThingsMan said:

Love what Houston is doing. Scratch built team. 

why don't you marry them then..

 

 

Just kidding, Happy thanksgiving.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

It’s no one’s fault. Just the reality of the situation. 
 

Mahomes has 89 starts in the regular season. 221 total TD’s.

 

Josh has 87 starts in the regular season. 205 total TD’s.

 

Mahomes started with a HOF coach, HOF WR, HOF TE, pro bowl RB, and an excellent OL.

 

For people to be in here trying to down play Allen accomplishing this when he started with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay has his WR1 and TE with a first time defensive HC on a roster being torn down and rebuilt is insane.  
 

How many TDs would Allen have if he started with multiple HOF players and coaches here in Buffalo?  
 

This need to diminish Allen by Bills fans is just crazy to me.  

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Huh?  What post did you read cuz this comment makes no sense what so ever to me.  Where did I put down Mahomes?  
 

I didn’t put him down at all, all I pointed out is that Mahomes started off his career in a substantially better situation than Allen.  Thats 100% indisputable and it was light years better situation than the rebuilding Bills were the first 2 years of Allen’s career.

 

Those are just literal facts, not at all put downs of Mahomes.  Literally and honestly have no idea how you took my post as a put down of Mahomes.  

 

I'd take Mahomes' supporting offensive cast (from players to coaches) anyday.

[BaaadThingsMan]

7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

why don't you marry them then..

 

 

Just kidding, Happy thanksgiving.

[90sBills]

8 hours ago, Virgil said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season

You’re killing the vibe here! 

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned Allen was mentored by Nathan Peterman and started his career with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay as his WR1 and TE.  

 

Mahomes got to start his career after sitting and learning from Alex Smith and was coached by Andy Reid and got to start with a great OL and have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce for weapons.  
 

The circumstances in which Allen got to start his career on a rebuilding team clearing cap space are not remotely the same as the luxury Mahomes did on a playoff ready team with elite weapons and coaching around him.
 

And Mahomes started a game as a rookie.   
 

Allen setting the NFL record despite the dumpster fire he had to work with on a rebuilding franchise his first 2 seasons is quite remarkable.  
 

 

Allen is great. But your post sounds like a lot of justifications. I don’t think Allen would have a problem saying Mahomes is the best. Burrow has.

[BaaadThingsMan]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

You’re killing the vibe here! 

Allen is great. But your post sounds like a lot of justifications. I don’t think Allen would have a problem saying Mahomes is the best. Burrow has.

Both can be true. They can all be great.

 

The leagues best right now are all squad, hanging out in the offseason and paling around. No hate. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

You’re killing the vibe here! 

Allen is great. But your post sounds like a lot of justifications. I don’t think Allen would have a problem saying Mahomes is the best. Burrow has.

I am simply pointing out that it’s really silly to diminish Allen’s accomplishment.  And there are still 6 games left…If Allen averages 3 TDS a week he will hold the record even if you take away both Mahomes and Allens first season.  So this narrative in here about Mahomes playing only 1 game in his rookie year is even more silly right now.  

Edited November 20, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Mahomes started with a HOF coach, HOF WR, HOF TE, pro bowl RB, and an excellent OL.

 

For people to be in here trying to down play Allen accomplishing this when he started with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay has his WR1 and TE with a first time defensive HC on a roster being torn down and rebuilt is insane.  
 

How many TDs would Allen have if he started with multiple HOF players and coaches here in Buffalo?  
 

This need to diminish Allen by Bills fans is just crazy to me.  

1) Allen is extremely awesom. Zero debate on that.

 

2) bills fans love putting down rival qbs. I get to an extent but it’s really down wirh mahomes (see the training camp thread). 
 

3) this stat is misleading but it is still a very impressive one.

 

4) fun fact: Benjamin had as many 1,000 yard receiving seasons as Hill did when Mahomes became the full time starter. All of Kelce’s best seasons are under Mahomes. 
 

5) Reid SBs before Mahomes = 0. 
 

mahomes made those guys HOFers.

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1) Allen is extremely awesom. Zero debate on that.

 

2) bills fans love putting down rival qbs. I get to an extent but it’s really down wirh mahomes (see the training camp thread). 
 

3) this stat is misleading but it is still a very impressive one.

 

4) fun fact: Benjamin had as many 1,000 yard receiving seasons as Hill did when Mahomes became the full time starter. All of Kelce’s best seasons are under Mahomes. 
 

5) Reid SBs before Mahomes = 0. 
 

mahomes made those guys HOFers.

Good thing Mahomes came around then, for Reid. 

 

 

[Doc]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

1) Allen is extremely awesom. Zero debate on that.

 

2) bills fans love putting down rival qbs. I get to an extent but it’s really down wirh mahomes (see the training camp thread). 
 

3) this stat is misleading but it is still a very impressive one.

 

4) fun fact: Benjamin had as many 1,000 yard receiving seasons as Hill did when Mahomes became the full time starter. All of Kelce’s best seasons are under Mahomes. 
 

5) Reid SBs before Mahomes = 0. 
 

mahomes made those guys HOFers.

 

You're joking with your "fun fact," right?

[T master]

8 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

Also leads the league in turnovers since he came in. Tomato tomatoe

 

You got to spend money to make it ...

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1) Allen is extremely awesom. Zero debate on that.

 

2) bills fans love putting down rival qbs. I get to an extent but it’s really down wirh mahomes (see the training camp thread). 
 

3) this stat is misleading but it is still a very impressive one.

 

4) fun fact: Benjamin had as many 1,000 yard receiving seasons as Hill did when Mahomes became the full time starter. All of Kelce’s best seasons are under Mahomes. 
 

5) Reid SBs before Mahomes = 0. 
 

mahomes made those guys HOFers.

I’m not comparing them as players.  We are discussing the validity of the record.  
 

And stop.  Kelvin Benjamin was a joke compared to Hill.  Clay is a joke compared to Kelce.  If Bills take Mahomes in 2017 he does NOT turn KB and Clay into all time greats and HOF players.  No offense, but this argument you’re making about Hill and Kelce is utterly ridiculous.  Hill is the best WR in football, and even better now than he was playing with Mahomes. 
 

You’re a good poster, but I can’t even fathom how you’re even attempting to act like Mahomes offensive roster players wasn’t light years better than Allen’s when their respective careers started.  
 

And again, there are still 6 games left.  If Allen avg 3 TDs rest of season he will hold the record even if you take away the first 15 games from Allen’s rookie year (Mahomes stated the last game of his rookie year).  

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You're joking with your "fun fact," right?

This.

[90sBills]

53 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

How is this putting Mahomes down?

Yeah Mahomes is great because Reid Kelce Hill and something about a Ferrari. Put Allen on the Chiefs and he’d have 6 superbowls.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, 90sBills said:

Yeah Mahomes is great because Reid Kelce Hill and something about a Ferrari. Put Allen on the Chiefs and he’d have 6 superbowls.

 

No but he would have 2 just like Mahomes.

 

 

[90sBills]

30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Mahomes started with a HOF coach, HOF WR, HOF TE, pro bowl RB, and an excellent OL.

 

For people to be in here trying to down play Allen accomplishing this when he started with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay has his WR1 and TE with a first time defensive HC on a roster being torn down and rebuilt is insane.  
 

How many TDs would Allen have if he started with multiple HOF players and coaches here in Buffalo?  
 

This need to diminish Allen by Bills fans is just crazy to me.  

Post after post of this drivel but nah I’m not putting down Mahomes to prop up Allen. lol 

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No but he would have 2 just like Mahomes.

 

 

Doubt it. 

16 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Both can be true. They can all be great.

 

The leagues best right now are all squad, hanging out in the offseason and paling around. No hate. 

 

 

Exactly! They’re both great QBs and great guys! Some people can’t talk up our guy without disparaging other guys. Especially the consensus best qb in the league. 

[FireChans]

39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Mahomes started with a HOF coach, HOF WR, HOF TE, pro bowl RB, and an excellent OL.

 

For people to be in here trying to down play Allen accomplishing this when he started with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay has his WR1 and TE with a first time defensive HC on a roster being torn down and rebuilt is insane.  
 

How many TDs would Allen have if he started with multiple HOF players and coaches here in Buffalo?  
 

This need to diminish Allen by Bills fans is just crazy to me.  

There's no need to diminish anything. This is a great stat.

 

I didn't even bring up Mahomes. You engaged someone else who did. And of course, the reason that Josh broke Mahomes' stat, today, is because Patrick didn't start his first season.  Who could argue this?

Edited November 20, 2023 by FireChans

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

There's no need to diminish anything. This is a great stat.

 

I didn't even bring up Mahomes. And of course, the reason that Josh broke Mahomes' stat, today, is because Patrick didn't start his first season.  Who could argue this?

Quite a few people on here apparently. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Quite a few people on here apparently. 

Not successfully, yet.

[Jerome007]

9 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

The silliest stats from Allen IMO are his rushing stats. He's 3rd in team history with 45 rushing TDs. He's currently 9th in team history in rushing yards and he could be 7th by the end of next weekend. This team has not generally lacked for running backs in its history.

It IS crazy. And he doesn't run as much as say a Lamar Jackson.