Allen makes history again- this is a big 1

[Gunsgoodtime]

Josh Allen is the best Qb the Bills have ever had.  We need to win 1 while he is here, it will be a total failure if we don't

[section122]

27 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Makes one wonder why we haven't gotten more from the team during that time span then.  

 

That seems to implicate coaching as well.  

 

 

 

We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere.  Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time...

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere.  Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time...

 

Oh I'm sorry, it seems that bringing up his being limited by coaching actually does him a service in that department.  

 

Nice hyperbole otherwise!  

 

As you were.  

 

Nice of you to point to other posters however.  Nothing substantive to add to the conversation otherwise then?  

 

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by PBF81

[ToGoGo]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned Allen was mentored by Nathan Peterman and started his career with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay as his WR1 and TE.  

 

Mahomes got to start his career after sitting and learning from Alex Smith and was coached by Andy Reid and got to start with a great OL and have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce for weapons.  
 

The circumstances in which Allen got to start his career on a rebuilding team clearing cap space are not remotely the same as the luxury Mahomes did on a playoff ready team with elite weapons and coaching around him.
 

And Mahomes started a game as a rookie.   
 

Allen setting the NFL record despite the dumpster fire he had to work with on a rebuilding franchise his first 2 seasons is quite remarkable.  
 

 

MUCH more impressive than Mahomes. Trust fund baby vs street urchin. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season

Add a 17 game schedule too...

It's still incredibly impressive knowing he has 6 games to play. He is going to obliterate the record. 

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned Allen was mentored by Nathan Peterman and started his career with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay as his WR1 and TE.  

 

Mahomes got to start his career after sitting and learning from Alex Smith and was coached by Andy Reid and got to start with a great OL and have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce for weapons.  
 

The circumstances in which Allen got to start his career on a rebuilding team clearing cap space are not remotely the same as the luxury Mahomes did on a playoff ready team with elite weapons and coaching around him.
 

And Mahomes started a game as a rookie.   
 

Allen setting the NFL record despite the dumpster fire he had to work with on a rebuilding franchise his first 2 seasons is quite remarkable.  
 

 

Very cool, but starting most of your first year compared to being a back up for 15 games is quite an advantage for a record like this. 

[TNBills]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Very cool, but starting most of your first year compared to being a back up for 15 games is quite an advantage for a record like this. 

Not Allen's fault Mahomes didn't start or get thrown to the wolves his rookie year. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Calidiehard said:

Not Allen's fault Mahomes didn't start or get thrown to the wolves his rookie year. 

It’s no one’s fault. Just the reality of the situation. 
 

Mahomes has 89 starts in the regular season. 221 total TD’s.

 

Josh has 87 starts in the regular season. 205 total TD’s.

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by FireChans

[Meatloaf63]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season

And Allen played in a crap team and missed games. Sorry, Pat had to be baby sat for a season 🤦‍♂️

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s no one’s fault. Just the reality of the situation. 
 

Mahomes has 89 starts in the regular season. 221 total TD’s.

 

Josh has 87 starts in the regular season. 205 total TD’s.

 

Not the metric now is it?  The stat is the first six seasons not a 6 season snap shot. If you want to go that route you would have to compare records of teams played against quality of O line, receiving corps, coaches etc. but that’s not what’s being discussed here.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

Makes one wonder why we haven't gotten more from the team during that time span then.  

 

That seems to implicate coaching as well.  

 

 

Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons.  

[PBF81]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons.  

 

LOL 

 

You've just gotta love the things people put up in defense of all things Bills.  

 

 

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons.  

 

Add-in Brees and it's 4 in 50 seasons.

 

And Mahomes was handed the keys to a Ferrari.  Josh had a Yugo with bald tires his first 2 years.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

LOL 

 

You've just gotta love the things people put up in defense of all things Bills.  

 

 

What’s funny about that? Lol you implied ‘well they have a great qb and it’s embarrassing they haven’t won a Super Bowl in 5 years’…the best qbs in history frequently go a decade+ without winning one.  Some great qbs never win one 

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[C.Biscuit97]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season

I mean you know why. 😂And it’s an insanely impressive number. 
 

to be fair to the old guys, it would have been crazy to see what guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham could have done in this era. But Allen is a nightmare to game plan against. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

 

We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere.  Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time...

 

Celebrate a win over a team like the Jets?   

 

Well, OK.  I'll be quite a bit more jacked if we can even make the Eagles game a good game.  

 

Beating the Jets, yeah, sorry, at home with a QB that's quite likely never to seriously start anywhere beginning next season doesn't quite cut it for me.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Add-in Brees and it's 4 in 50 seasons.

 

And Mahomes was handed the keys to a Ferrari.  Josh had a Yugo with bald tires his first 2 years.

We’re still trying to find ways to put down Mahomes? Stop, it’s stupid. He won the mvp and sb the year they traded Hill. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Josh Allen is also 8 TD passes away from joining Russel Wilson, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees as the only QBs in NFL HISTORY to have 4 consecutive 30+ TD passing seasons. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Idgaf what anyone says.

 

OUR QB1 has the most TDs in his first 6 years in the history of the league! 

 

*****in S.T.U.D!

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What’s funny about that? Lol you implied ‘well they have a great qb and it’s embarrassing they haven’t won a Super Bowl in 5 years’…the best qbs in history frequently go a decade+ without winning one.  Some great qbs never win one 

 

I'm not quite sure that's what I implied.  

 

It wasn't what I meant to imply if so.  

 

What's funny about it is how people continually throw up analagous historical facts as relevant exceptions, except that they have contexts that don't even match what's going on here.  Give Rodgers and Manning the defenses that Allen's had and then it's an accurate comp.  Since that can never happen, it would seem that it's not an accurate/apples-to-apples comp.  

 

There are endless such exceptions.  It's always amusing what gets thrown up.  

 

 

[BaaadThingsMan]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Celebrate a win over a team like the Jets?   

 

Well, OK.  I'll be quite a bit more jacked if we can even make the Eagles game a good game.  

 

Beating the Jets, yeah, sorry, at home with a QB that's quite likely never to seriously start anywhere beginning next season doesn't quite cut it for me.  

 

 

Never good enough for some people