Gunsgoodtime Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Josh Allen is the best Qb the Bills have ever had. We need to win 1 while he is here, it will be a total failure if we don't 1 Quote
section122 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 10:31 AM, PBF81 said: Makes one wonder why we haven't gotten more from the team during that time span then. That seems to implicate coaching as well. Expand We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere. Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time... 2 2 Quote
PBF81 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) On 11/20/2023 at 11:00 AM, section122 said: We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere. Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time... Expand Oh I'm sorry, it seems that bringing up his being limited by coaching actually does him a service in that department. Nice hyperbole otherwise! As you were. Nice of you to point to other posters however. Nothing substantive to add to the conversation otherwise then? Edited November 20, 2023 by PBF81 1 Quote
ToGoGo Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 6:57 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Can’t believe no one mentioned Allen was mentored by Nathan Peterman and started his career with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay as his WR1 and TE. Mahomes got to start his career after sitting and learning from Alex Smith and was coached by Andy Reid and got to start with a great OL and have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce for weapons. The circumstances in which Allen got to start his career on a rebuilding team clearing cap space are not remotely the same as the luxury Mahomes did on a playoff ready team with elite weapons and coaching around him. And Mahomes started a game as a rookie. Allen setting the NFL record despite the dumpster fire he had to work with on a rebuilding franchise his first 2 seasons is quite remarkable. Expand MUCH more impressive than Mahomes. Trust fund baby vs street urchin. 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 6:36 AM, Virgil said: Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season Expand Add a 17 game schedule too... It's still incredibly impressive knowing he has 6 games to play. He is going to obliterate the record. Quote
FireChans Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 6:57 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Can’t believe no one mentioned Allen was mentored by Nathan Peterman and started his career with Kelvin Benjamin and Clay as his WR1 and TE. Mahomes got to start his career after sitting and learning from Alex Smith and was coached by Andy Reid and got to start with a great OL and have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce for weapons. The circumstances in which Allen got to start his career on a rebuilding team clearing cap space are not remotely the same as the luxury Mahomes did on a playoff ready team with elite weapons and coaching around him. And Mahomes started a game as a rookie. Allen setting the NFL record despite the dumpster fire he had to work with on a rebuilding franchise his first 2 seasons is quite remarkable. Expand Very cool, but starting most of your first year compared to being a back up for 15 games is quite an advantage for a record like this. 1 Quote
TNBills Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 12:23 PM, FireChans said: Very cool, but starting most of your first year compared to being a back up for 15 games is quite an advantage for a record like this. Expand Not Allen's fault Mahomes didn't start or get thrown to the wolves his rookie year. Quote
FireChans Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) On 11/20/2023 at 12:50 PM, Calidiehard said: Not Allen's fault Mahomes didn't start or get thrown to the wolves his rookie year. Expand It’s no one’s fault. Just the reality of the situation. Mahomes has 89 starts in the regular season. 221 total TD’s. Josh has 87 starts in the regular season. 205 total TD’s. Edited November 20, 2023 by FireChans 1 Quote
Meatloaf63 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 6:36 AM, Virgil said: Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season Expand And Allen played in a crap team and missed games. Sorry, Pat had to be baby sat for a season 🤦♂️ On 11/20/2023 at 12:54 PM, FireChans said: It’s no one’s fault. Just the reality of the situation. Mahomes has 89 starts in the regular season. 221 total TD’s. Josh has 87 starts in the regular season. 205 total TD’s. Expand Not the metric now is it? The stat is the first six seasons not a 6 season snap shot. If you want to go that route you would have to compare records of teams played against quality of O line, receiving corps, coaches etc. but that’s not what’s being discussed here. 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 10:31 AM, PBF81 said: Makes one wonder why we haven't gotten more from the team during that time span then. That seems to implicate coaching as well. Expand Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons. 1 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 1:22 PM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons. Expand LOL You've just gotta love the things people put up in defense of all things Bills. 2 1 Quote
Doc Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 1:22 PM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Aaron rodgers and Peyton manning are two of the best qbs in history and they have 3 total Super Bowl wins in 35 seasons. Expand Add-in Brees and it's 4 in 50 seasons. And Mahomes was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Josh had a Yugo with bald tires his first 2 years. 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) On 11/20/2023 at 1:33 PM, PBF81 said: LOL You've just gotta love the things people put up in defense of all things Bills. Expand What’s funny about that? Lol you implied ‘well they have a great qb and it’s embarrassing they haven’t won a Super Bowl in 5 years’…the best qbs in history frequently go a decade+ without winning one. Some great qbs never win one Edited November 20, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 2 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 6:36 AM, Virgil said: Can’t believe no one mentioned that Mahomes sat his first season Expand I mean you know why. 😂And it’s an insanely impressive number. to be fair to the old guys, it would have been crazy to see what guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham could have done in this era. But Allen is a nightmare to game plan against. Quote
PBF81 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 11:00 AM, section122 said: We get it you dont like the coaches... you don't have to bring it up everywhere. Celebrate this and josh and save the yeah buts for a different time... Expand Celebrate a win over a team like the Jets? Well, OK. I'll be quite a bit more jacked if we can even make the Eagles game a good game. Beating the Jets, yeah, sorry, at home with a QB that's quite likely never to seriously start anywhere beginning next season doesn't quite cut it for me. 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 1:35 PM, Doc said: Add-in Brees and it's 4 in 50 seasons. And Mahomes was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Josh had a Yugo with bald tires his first 2 years. Expand We’re still trying to find ways to put down Mahomes? Stop, it’s stupid. He won the mvp and sb the year they traded Hill. 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Josh Allen is also 8 TD passes away from joining Russel Wilson, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees as the only QBs in NFL HISTORY to have 4 consecutive 30+ TD passing seasons. 1 Quote
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Idgaf what anyone says. OUR QB1 has the most TDs in his first 6 years in the history of the league! *****in S.T.U.D! 2 Quote
PBF81 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 1:37 PM, Generic_Bills_Fan said: What’s funny about that? Lol you implied ‘well they have a great qb and it’s embarrassing they haven’t won a Super Bowl in 5 years’…the best qbs in history frequently go a decade+ without winning one. Some great qbs never win one Expand I'm not quite sure that's what I implied. It wasn't what I meant to imply if so. What's funny about it is how people continually throw up analagous historical facts as relevant exceptions, except that they have contexts that don't even match what's going on here. Give Rodgers and Manning the defenses that Allen's had and then it's an accurate comp. Since that can never happen, it would seem that it's not an accurate/apples-to-apples comp. There are endless such exceptions. It's always amusing what gets thrown up. 2 Quote
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 1:39 PM, PBF81 said: Celebrate a win over a team like the Jets? Well, OK. I'll be quite a bit more jacked if we can even make the Eagles game a good game. Beating the Jets, yeah, sorry, at home with a QB that's quite likely never to seriously start anywhere beginning next season doesn't quite cut it for me. Expand Never good enough for some people Quote
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