Outlook on McDermott if we turn it around

[FilthyBeast]

12 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The better we perform in the short term, the more likely we will maintain the status quo in the long term. I don't see any way that isn't the case. It was already a long shot that we would part ways with McDermott after this year. It was going to take an implosion on the trajectory of what we had seen prior to Dorsey being canned. If they turn it around and threaten the playoffs it's not going to happen. 

 

Do some of you feel strongly enough about McDermott to actual want this thing to implode for the greater good? Do some of you feel if we can somehow get back on track to make the playoffs that it would alter your view on him as the coach next year? Curious what the outlook is on this. 

 

If the Bills make the playoffs this year pretty sure there's zero chance of McD going anywhere even if they are one and done and blown out in the process.

 

But I still think that's a pipe dream because I don't see the Bills winning either of the next 2 games even if they played like they did yesterday which would mean 10-7 is best case and that's likely not getting it done for either wildcard or division title.

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If the Bills make the playoffs this year pretty sure there's zero chance of McD going anywhere even if they are one and done and blown out in the process.

 

But I still think that's a pipe dream because I don't see the Bills winning either of the next 2 games even if they played like they did yesterday which would mean 10-7 is best case and that's likely not getting it done for either wildcard or division title.

If they play like they did yesterday and get 30+ PPG they'll likely win at least 1 of the 2, if not both.  

 

Certainly not a sure thing but I have a cautious amount of confidence that Brady is going to get more out of Allen for the rest of the season. 

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

If they play like they did yesterday and get 30+ PPG they'll likely win at least 1 of the 2, if not both.  

 

Certainly not a sure thing but I have a cautious amount of confidence that Brady is going to get more out of Allen for the rest of the season. 

 

You might be right but the problem is the Chiefs and Eagles also play at that same level week after week and obviously Mahomes/Hurts truly make Zack Wilson look like the 3rd string caliber QB he is.

 

I think tonight's game will be very telling on the Bills chances depending on what both the Eagles/Chiefs look like coming out of a bye. I expect the Chiefs to be dominant and send a message to the rest of the NFL which would be a bad omen in these next 2 games facing both an angry Eagles team coming off a loss to the team that beat them in the SB, and then the Chiefs who simply don't lose Nov/Dec games especially at home.

[RyanC883]

depends on definition of turn around. McD really created this mess. We need to make the AFC Champ game for me to feel confident that we will win big and meaningful postseason games in the future.  

[NewEra]

I’ve stood by he needs to win at least 1 playoff win to keep his job.  Maybe even 2, depending how the last game turns out.  We can’t continue to regress.  

[Bruffalo]

5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You might be right but the problem is the Chiefs and Eagles also play at that same level week after week and obviously Mahomes/Hurts truly make Zack Wilson look like the 3rd string caliber QB he is.

 

I think tonight's game will be very telling on the Bills chances depending on what both the Eagles/Chiefs look like coming out of a bye. I expect the Chiefs to be dominant and send a message to the rest of the NFL which would be a bad omen in these next 2 games facing both an angry Eagles team coming off a loss to the team that beat them in the SB, and then the Chiefs who simply don't lose Nov/Dec games especially at home.

I mean, the Eagles lost to the Jets in a very similar way to how we did in week 1 and the Chiefs should have lost to the Jets. 

 

30 PPG will win you most games in the NFL, regardless of opponent.  That doesn't have to be the case in these upcoming games but I'd feel pretty comfortable betting the Bills if you told me they were going to score 32 points. 

[BigPappy]

Even if for some reason the team imploded through the remainder of this year, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIRE MCDERMOTT, so just get that out of your head. In his tenure, we have only missed the playoffs once. The offence has struggled yes, but that issue at least temporarily has been fixed by fireing Dorsey. Brady is getting his shot to see what he can do. If he stumbles, they will find a new OC with experience running an offence. Then add on the fact that the defense has been stricen with injuries to major contributors causing a significant dropoff in the defense in points allowed, rushing yards allowed, interceptions forced fumbles ETC.... regardless of what happens the rest of this year, he will get a pass to see how things pan out next year after some regrouping and getting back to full health. 

[Lane Meyer K12]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

I think you're confusing McDermott with Josh Allen.  Without him, McDermott is just another drought-era bum, indistinguishable from the likes of Dick Jauron, Gregggg Williams, etc.  

 

I wholeheartedly disagree. 

 

Josh Allen was not the toast of the town when he was drafted.

Hardly anyone could foresee what he would become.

As a matter of fact, most people were calling for his head after year one and/or year two. ("They drafted the wrong Josh")

McDermott started him from day one and never wavered from his commitment.

One of the coaches previous to him may have pulled him or had a quarterback competition. (It would not have been surprising) 

McD stuck with his guy and together it has paid off. 

The whole mental culture of Bills football has changed since McD came. 

It is as if no one remembers the loser mentality before he arrived. 

Note:

He broke the draught with Tyrod Taylor, they of course had help from Cincinatti, but credit is due for making winning a common thing in Buffalo. 

 

Be careful what you wish for. 

 

A lot of people were calling for Daboll's head and look how that turned out. 

[Real McClappy]

3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If this team makes the playoffs with this remaining schedule then it will be the best job McDermott has done. I’ll be very happy and will probably back off on him.

Solid. ^

How we come out against the Eagles and KC will tell me everything I need to know honestly in the next few weeks. 

[mannc]

20 minutes ago, Lane Meyer K12 said:

 

I wholeheartedly disagree. 

 

Josh Allen was not the toast of the town when he was drafted.

Hardly anyone could foresee what he would become.

As a matter of fact, most people were calling for his head after year one and/or year two. ("They drafted the wrong Josh")

McDermott started him from day one and never wavered from his commitment.

One of the coaches previous to him may have pulled him or had a quarterback competition. (It would not have been surprising) 

McD stuck with his guy and together it has paid off. 

The whole mental culture of Bills football has changed since McD came. 

It is as if no one remembers the loser mentality before he arrived. 

Note:

He broke the draught with Tyrod Taylor, they of course had help from Cincinatti, but credit is due for making winning a common thing in Buffalo. 

 

Be careful what you wish for. 

 

A lot of people were calling for Daboll's head and look how that turned out. 

You're having memory failure.  McDermott's plan was to start Peterman during Josh's rookie season, but Peterman was so awful that that plan never even got off the ground.  Giving McDermott credit for Josh Allen's success is the hugest of stretches...

 

The team McDermott took over was a .500 team under Rex f-ing Ryan, hardly a completely bare cupboard...he broke the drought by taking them to 9-7.  BFD  

[Homey D. Clown]

14 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The better we perform in the short term, the more likely we will maintain the status quo in the long term. I don't see any way that isn't the case. It was already a long shot that we would part ways with McDermott after this year. It was going to take an implosion on the trajectory of what we had seen prior to Dorsey being canned. If they turn it around and threaten the playoffs it's not going to happen. 

 

Do some of you feel strongly enough about McDermott to actual want this thing to implode for the greater good? Do some of you feel if we can somehow get back on track to make the playoffs that it would alter your view on him as the coach next year? Curious what the outlook is on this. 

 

I am not one who thinks McDermott hung the moon by any stretch, but I do think he's a high caliber coach, hands down.  You can pick apart any one of his mistakes on any given sunday, but if you think this team can/will do better, I submit the entirety of all head coaches and dare you to find one that has never had moments they'd like to have back.  He seems to get the most out of "next man up" guys, and you can't put a price on that.  Just look at what's left of the starting defense as a great example.

 

Get rid of McDermott and get ready to start another drought.

 

Besides, would you rather have Clappy Saleh?  I'll take clappy McD thanks.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Homey D. Clown

[Lane Meyer K12]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

You're having memory failure.  McDermott's plan was to start Peterman during Josh's rookie season, but Peterman was so awful that that plan never even got off the ground.  Giving McDermott credit for Josh Allen's success is the hugest of stretches...

 

The team McDermott took over was a .500 team under Rex f-ing Ryan, hardly a completely bare cupboard...he broke the drought by taking them to 9-7.  BFD  

No one gave him credit for JA's success. He is given credit for sticking with him when a lot of people thought he was not the guy. This included the majority of the fans and almost all of the media.

I gave him credit for turning the loser mentality of the team around.

Which, he clearly did.

Peterman did not last a game, so that is irrelevant.

A moot point to say the least. 

Juron went 7-9. 

Rex was a disaster and went 8-8.

Not one coach after Levy is even worth a mention, until McD.  

 

We can agree to disagree. 

 

Nothing more is needed from you. 

[mannc]

48 minutes ago, Lane Meyer K12 said:

No one gave him credit for JA's success. He is given credit for sticking with him when a lot of people thought he was not the guy. This included the majority of the fans and almost all of the media.

I gave him credit for turning the loser mentality of the team around.

Which, he clearly did.

Peterman did not last a game, so that is irrelevant.

A moot point to say the least. 

Juron went 7-9. 

Rex was a disaster and went 8-8.

Not one coach after Levy is even worth a mention, until McD.  

 

We can agree to disagree. 

 

Nothing more is needed from you. 

"One of the coaches previous to him may have pulled him or had a quarterback competition." 

 

McDermott thought so highly of JA that he started Nathan Peterman ahead of him😀 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

depends on definition of turn around. McD really created this mess. We need to make the AFC Champ game for me to feel confident that we will win big and meaningful postseason games in the future.  

 

How did McD create this mess?  Was it his fault we lost Tre, Milano and Daquan?  I mean he has done a pretty epic job at managing the defense despite the loss of those guys along with other guys missing time like Benford, Bernard, Oliver, etc along the way too.  

 

And if 1 game is any indicator of what is to come, Dorsey was the "mess" of the offense, and McD made the change to fix that.  

 

So I am not sure what "mess" you are referring to that you are pinning solely on McD other than to just do a blanket blame McD for everything because you have been against McD as the HC for a while.  

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

"One of the coaches previous to him may have pulled him or had a quarterback competition." 

 

McDermott thought so highly of JA that he started Nathan Peterman ahead of him😀 

 

He was a raw rookie lmao.  And BOTH McD and Beane said the plan was Allen to start week 1 until the 3rd preseason game almost got Allen killed by the OL and they didn't want to throw him to the wolves and let him get a little more practice time in given how bad the OL was before putting him out there.  That is the ONLY reason Peterman started, and he didn't make it through a game before they had enough and said screw it, we need to go with Allen.  

[Drew21PA]

Beat the chiefs and eagles I’m back in and will chalk that all up to a lousy offensive coordinator 

[Niagara Dude]

6 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Imo, we have had the weapons, Dorsey either refused to use them or didn’t know how to use them, McDermott shares blame for not insisting that available personnel be used effectively, Joe Brady already new how to use available personnel…, 

 

Could we use a real #2 WR? Yes we could, but that doesn’t preclude using the guys we already have on the roster. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

Maybe  your right,  but I need a bigger sample size and next 2 games are both contenders.  Our offence was gifted with the ball twice inside the Jets side of the field because of turnovers. Let's see how they make out in next few games before assuming it was all Dorsey's fault

[RyanC883]

37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

How did McD create this mess?  Was it his fault we lost Tre, Milano and Daquan?  I mean he has done a pretty epic job at managing the defense despite the loss of those guys along with other guys missing time like Benford, Bernard, Oliver, etc along the way too.  

 

And if 1 game is any indicator of what is to come, Dorsey was the "mess" of the offense, and McD made the change to fix that.  

 

So I am not sure what "mess" you are referring to that you are pinning solely on McD other than to just do a blanket blame McD for everything because you have been against McD as the HC for a while.  

 

He was a raw rookie lmao.  And BOTH McD and Beane said the plan was Allen to start week 1 until the 3rd preseason game almost got Allen killed by the OL and they didn't want to throw him to the wolves and let him get a little more practice time in given how bad the OL was before putting him out there.  That is the ONLY reason Peterman started, and he didn't make it through a game before they had enough and said screw it, we need to go with Allen.  

 

Who hired Dorsey?  Who kept him this year when it was clear last year he was in over his head?  Who allowed 12 men on the field instead of staying in a base D against Denver.  McD, that’s who.  

[Alphadawg7]

23 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Who hired Dorsey?  Who kept him this year when it was clear last year he was in over his head?  Who allowed 12 men on the field instead of staying in a base D against Denver.  McD, that’s who.  

 

I disagree...Josh wanted Dorsey, so that played a lot into it and its pretty typical to promote within.  So hard to fault them for elevating Dorsey when Daboll got a HC gig.  

 

And while I agree, Dorsey should have been fired sooner, its also not a surprise they stuck with him to see if he could turn it around first.  But he made the change, and hopefully it wasn't too late.  

 

12 men on the field I won't argue with, even though that is the ST Coordinators primary job, the HC needs to catch that too, so that is fair criticism.  

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Maybe  your right,  but I need a bigger sample size and next 2 games are both contenders.  Our offence was gifted with the ball twice inside the Jets side of the field because of turnovers. Let's see how they make out in next few games before assuming it was all Dorsey's fault

Yes, a small sample size, and its not going to get easier, but there is viable hope that we have a solid opportunity to move forward.

[PBF81]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

 

Yeah, my bad, for some odd reason I thought that they were still determining games by the number of points scored.  I hadn't realized that they changed that.  

 

Hence my having said Scoring D.  

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/asc