Joe Brady's performance tonight

[BBFL]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Actually he had 8 targets last night, which is the most he's had so far in the month of November.

I don't think that concern should be costing you any sleep. 

 
I get the 8 targets. As I said 4 to start the game, 3 were drops and 2 in garbage time. 
that leaves 2 targets left for a guy who won’t be happy with himself who’s also emotional. 
 

A concern and worry are different. I don’t lose any sleep over football, can promise you that.

 

Unless it’s my job… 

😂

[Captain_Quint]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

It helped that the Jets' offense couldn't get out of its own way and our D dominated them.  That always makes things easier for an offense.

 

Keep in mind as well that that was the first appearance of the Brady schemed offense.  As the games continue, more video of our O will become available to opponents.  That shouldn't be discounted.

 

Very optimistic, but as we all realize, the gauntlet lies ahead.  

 

 

Well, it's a good 4 game stretch to do it, considering who we have to play. It's safe to say that the same offense we've been putting out there wasn't gonna cut it against Phl, KC, and Dallas. 

 

Might as well try it on the leagues best and see what happens. We may actually steal a game or two because of the unexpected wrinkles in the playbook and make it in. 

 

[Mango]

42 minutes ago, BBFL said:

I’m not complaining in any way shape or form, it’s just a concern. 
 

My concern is that they get don’t get Diggs more involved going forward. Dude had 4 targets in the first 2 drives; 3 drops 😬 and then 2 more in garbage time… As the game wore on from the 1st quarter, dude seriously looked disinterested and checked out. Always lifting his hands in the air like “wtf” with some calls. 

 

I’m not talking about forcing him the ball so many times like they have been in the past, just get him involved as it might be a potential problem going forward if it’s continued as he’s an emotional player (nothing wrong with that). 
 

Have the Diggs rumors in the past been blown out of proportion? Most likely but there has to be even a speck of truth to these things…

 

Dude is our best assets aside from a competent run game in Josh’s success. Don’t care about “keeping him happy” would just like to keep him squarely involved and not where he feels he’s an afterthought. 
 

 

I agree with you to an extent. He had a really lazy route in the 3rd, I got pretty frustrated by it. But at the same time he was the most targeted receiver on the roster. 
 

One thing to note for Diggs, he had Surtain and Sauce back to back. That’s not a get out of jail free card. He actually disappeared against top flight coverage. That’s a fairly new occurrence for him. 
 

I am a big spread the ball around guy who thinks 10-12 targets per game is enough. Not that it’s a pitch count. But the more you spread the ball out the more I think Diggs will actually feast long term.
 

 

[Nuncha]

4 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Too much east and west stuff.  I was half expecting Trent Edwards to run out on the field.

Nah, that was just your blurred vision from drinking a case prior to the game.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

I’m not complaining in any way shape or form, it’s just a concern. 
 

My concern is that they get don’t get Diggs more involved going forward. Dude had 4 targets in the first 2 drives; 3 drops 😬 and then 2 more in garbage time… As the game wore on from the 1st quarter, dude seriously looked disinterested and checked out. Always lifting his hands in the air like “wtf” with some calls. 

 

I’m not talking about forcing him the ball so many times like they have been in the past, just get him involved as it might be a potential problem going forward if it’s continued as he’s an emotional player (nothing wrong with that). 
 

Have the Diggs rumors in the past been blown out of proportion? Most likely but there has to be even a speck of truth to these things…

 

Dude is our best assets aside from a competent run game in Josh’s success. Don’t care about “keeping him happy” would just like to keep him squarely involved and not where he feels he’s an afterthought. 
 

 

I suspect that both Diggs and Gabe were told that they would not be having as many targets as Brady figures out what all else he has to deal with. We will be seeing more of Diggs later imo.

[PromoTheRobot]

It was a great win. The Bills pounded an inferior team. They did what was expected. Yay.

 

But let's not lose perspective. The schedule gets much tougher and we are thin as f*** on defense right now. The offense has to step up and score a lot more points to have a chance. This is where Joe Brady will earn his stripes.

[RunTheBall]

I have ZERO concern about Diggs. In fact, I loved the fact that we could put up 32 points without him and Davis being big factors.

 

Sauce is an over rated but solid CB and they were doubling Diggs all night. 

 

So what did Brady do? He schemed for their weaknesses which were defending the run, defending the middle of the field, and defending RBs catching the ball.

 

That’s exactly what an OC should do.

 

Against other teams that aren’t as strong in defensive backfield, Diggs will be a bigger part of the game plan.

[Livinginthepast]

I thought Brady did really well for his first game. Most of the plays worked  and TBH we could have with better execution been up by 24-6  at half. I hope that with more time, Brady can push this offense to more complicated plays that showcase more misdirection and deception. It seems that this area is like an atrophied muscle for this offense. They did it once but are so out of practice and confidence because of Vanilla Dorsey that they need to learn it again. The only other small complaint is that we did a small number of plays that didn't work that were Dorsey specials. I hope Brady gets away from that in the next few games. But overall a good start and so much easier to watch than that frustrating Dorsey game plan!

[Bubba Gump]

Best and coolest thing I saw last night...was, with time running out, and the game over, people in my section started shouting "Let's go Joe" while looking up at him in the booth. I sit in 134, the section right under the OC booth and just to the right of the natiinal broadcast booth. Anyways, the crowd was chanting "Let's Go Joe" looking up at him. Joe looked down and gave a little fist pump to the crowd, like saying "we did it". He was smiling too. Something Dorsey never did.  It was awesome. He looked very happy. Granted, only one game, and it was the Jets. But the Bills scorched their vaunted defense. It was great to see.

 

Dorsey always had the window closed from the coin toss to the last second. Never opened it once. As soon as the game was almost over, someone in the OC booth opened the window and that's when Joe acknowledged the fans. It was really cool. I hope Brady has continued success. He seems to have his pulse on the team already. Let's hope he keeps it up. "Let's Go Joe"

Edited November 20, 2023 by Bubba Gump

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

 
I get the 8 targets. As I said 4 to start the game, 3 were drops and 2 in garbage time. 
that leaves 2 targets left for a guy who won’t be happy with himself who’s also emotional. 
 

A concern and worry are different. I don’t lose any sleep over football, can promise you that.

 

Unless it’s my job… 

😂

Diggs has said multiple times he wants to win. It doesn’t matter how they do it. He doesn’t care about his stats as long as they win. If they lose and he isn’t involved he asked what could he have done better to help the team win.  

[BBFL]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Diggs has said multiple times he wants to win. It doesn’t matter how they do it. He doesn’t care about his stats as long as they win. If they lose and he isn’t involved he asked what could he have done better to help the team win.  

Fair enough but flailing your arms in the air after you don’t get the ball when you’re open, looking half-hearted in some plays and not being full of energy like he is in other games, especially ones we are winning, would tell me otherwise. 
 

Obviously I look at it differently than you do and that’s ok. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by BBFL

[DrDawkinstein]

43 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I suspect that both Diggs and Gabe were told that they would not be having as many targets as Brady figures out what all else he has to deal with. We will be seeing more of Diggs later imo.

 

Why would you suspect that conversation ever happened when we opened with back to back plays forcing the ball to Diggs on swing passes?

 

That conversation never happened. That was never the plan. They just properly adjusted to what the Defense was playing, and it worked, and Diggs is plenty happy because we won.

 

As long as the Offense is clicking, and we're moving the ball and scoring, and most importantly WINNING, you will never hear a peep out of Diggs. Except his continuing leadership and support of his team mates.

[phxbacker]

10 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

Don't know if we will ever know what was the problem with Dorsey/Allen.  I think Allen was given a say once he earned his 2nd contract as a proven franchise QB.  So I lean towards Brady maybe not giving Allen as much freedom to audible. And Josh was under center more than we usually seen him under Dorsey or even DaBoll if memory serves.   Didn't seem like Allen audibles as often as it appeared in some of our earlier games.

 

 

 

 

not as many audibles because the first play was a good call against the defense for the play. I always felt that the first play from Dorsey wasn't a fit for the D on the play and Josh always checked out of it because he didn't like what he saw. I am glad Brady put Josh under center more, i think that makes a big difference.

 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, PBF81 said:

Keep in mind as well that that was the first appearance of the Brady schemed offense.

 

It wasn't. That was Dorsey's scheme just called differently. Obviously I understand wanting to see more before believing Brady is the solution, but I don't think defenses are going to be able to key in on anything new. When your play caller calls a balanced offense there's not much to key in on. So more than anything I just want to see Brady do it again.

[DrDawkinstein]

The James Cook TD Pass showed me everything I need to know that it is a step up from Dorsey to Brady.

 

The design of the play actually schemed Cook wide open. It wasn't a play where we were lining up and asking our receivers to win based on nothing but skill and speed. We actually set up our players in a position to succeed by getting Cook open before the ball was even snapped.

 

More of that please and thank you.

[bigK14094]

6 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Gotta wonder what Brady has been thinking all season.  How do you sit there and watch your OC call plays you wouldn’t, and not call plays you would.  Gotta sit there and take it I guess.  
 

Wonder how much input he had in the offense?  Did Dorsey lean on him, or go his own way?  My guess is Dorsey went his own way.

 

Anyways, great game last night!  Let’s keep it up!  Go Bills!

Yes, a good manager (OC) leans on his people when trouble is at hand.  Clearlliy Brady had ideas that were not used, or, perhaps, even solicited.

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The James Cook TD Pass showed me everything I need to know that it is a step up from Dorsey to Brady.

 

The design of the play actually schemed Cook wide open. It wasn't a play where we were lining up and asking our receivers to win based on nothing but skill and speed. We actually set up our players in a position to succeed by getting Cook open before the ball was even snapped.

 

More of that please and thank you.

So I actually thought different. I’ve seen this play before in the A22 and we just haven’t thrown the ball the the wheel route much. This wasn’t a new addition. It was just taking the throw that was there.

 

I don’t mean to take away from Brady. Getting players to execute is part of the job. But this isn’t a new wrinkle. 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

So I actually thought different. I’ve seen this play before in the A22 and we just haven’t thrown the ball the the wheel route much. This wasn’t a new addition. It was just taking the throw that was there.

 

I don’t mean to take away from Brady. Getting players to execute is part of the job. But this isn’t a new wrinkle. 

 

That's fine. Whether the play call was new, or the execution was new, it's still a change with the new OC. Maybe he called that play out in practice this week and reinforced to Josh what he is supposed to be doing instead of Dorsey's approach.

 

Just like the called Josh runs last night. They didnt gain much yardage, but just calling them and putting that threat out there changes things.

[mannc]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The James Cook TD Pass showed me everything I need to know that it is a step up from Dorsey to Brady.

 

The design of the play actually schemed Cook wide open. It wasn't a play where we were lining up and asking our receivers to win based on nothing but skill and speed. We actually set up our players in a position to succeed by getting Cook open before the ball was even snapped.

 

More of that please and thank you.

Same with the TD to Johnson on 4th and short…where has that been all year?

[Bob in STL]

Good first game.  He did well against a tough defense.  It took some pressure off that the Jets Offense is terrible and those early stalled drives did not come back to haunt.  

 

I like the way they used the RBs - Cook, Johnson and Murray

I liked the use of TE's - Kincaid was excellent and they even targeted Morris

I liked going to Shakir  - maybe he emerges as the #2 in Brady's offense?

Josh looked like he was having fun  - look he can run and slide too.  

 

One game, good start.  Philly will be tougher next week.