Has Shakir overtaken Davis

[RunTheBall]

Gabe cannot play in the slot

 

He get’s zero separation. He’s not quick twitch, he’s like a train that takes time to get up to speed. That’s exactly the opposite of what you want in the slot

 

I’d guess Brady leaves Gabe where he is, uses him to block and draw coverage downfield, and hope for Playoff Gabe to appear if we make it that far

 

 

[BBFL]

1 hour ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

That's is a pretty sad way to characterize a supposed #2 receiver: "a competent run blocker."

 

Chris Simms said on his podcast multiple times that Gabe is not a legit #2. Said Shakir is a stronger option on the boundary and Davis should be in the slot.  If all Gabe brings to the table is run blocking it's time to move on from him. 

😂

 

Im not saying that’s all he brings, just a definitive reason to have him out there consistently as he has, at times, shown flashes of decency to pair with his run blocking. 
 

But going forward a run game is the absolute necessity for success. Josh’s numbers from play action over the years are otherworldly. 
 

To your last point, there isn’t a moment where I don’t think we need a number 2 option.  We do. As it stands that seems to be Kincaid going forward which I am more than OK with. 
 

The last 5 teams who have won the Lombardi Chiefs, Pats, Rams, Bucs and Eagles all only had one if not 2 top end guys receiving the ball; either two WRs or a TE & WR combo. 
 

An efficient run game and Josh is a meltdown for a coordinator. 

That is how we are going to get anywhere in this season. Be it Josh running or Cook, I don’t care. Focal point has to be Play Action. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Kincaid has passed Diggs as the #1. And Shakir is making a case for himself to be given #3 level targets.

 

 

FIFY

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Look back at those posts. I defended his production as a #2 WR amongst other #2 WR's in the league at the time. I argued that he (at the time) was a #2 WR with decent #2 WR production, by comparison to others. And that what you and others truly wanted was not a productive #2 WR, but two guys who could be #1's on other teams.

 

At no point did I say he was Elite or that he was great. At no point did I say there was zero merit to those who pointed out faults in his game. Just that (again, at the time) the idea that he was completely worthless was a bit much.

 

To the point where saying ANYTHING positive about him was somehow championing him and grounds for having insults slung in your direction.

 

But then the drops returned. And his lack of separation got worse. Then Kincaid's usage grew and as he became more and more comfortable in the offense and the team became more and more comfortable with him, it's clear he's the much better secondary receiver. As he was drafted to be. His time came quicker than expected and I'm thrilled with it.

 

*I've* cut him out of the conversation lately because the TEAM ITSELF has cut him out of the conversation. And the offense HAS been working better with Kincaid being looked at as the #2 option and Shakir as the #3. And if it's working, why go away from it?

 

 

That response is pretty weak and was not your take at all. 

 

You've done a complete 180 on Gabe...........10 days after selling him as a top WR2 you were calling him a "role player". 

 

I can't remember seeing anyone turn on a player so fast that they had so adamantly defended. 

 

Have a take and stick by it or have the courage to own up to the terrible take.

[Arkady Renko]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Shakir is not fast enough to be an outside receiver. He would be awful as a number 2. It would be lkke when we thought Josh Reed (one of my least favorite bills of all time) could be a number 2 and was so awful. 

Remember when Belichick would always mention the one time he burned them in garbage time leading up to each subsequent game against the Bills?

[Andrew Son]

49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Have a take and stick by it or have the courage to own up to the terrible take.

LOL, that's rich!

[WhoTom]

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yeah, look I've entertained your moronic replies enough. I'm going to enjoy a win. Have a great night. 

 

14 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

You fraid?

 

Hey guys, this is a football message board, not a Senate hearing.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

 

Hey guys, this is a football message board, not a Senate hearing.

 

 

Hey, Tom. Thanks for the message. Why you choose to comment on a 16 hour old conversation that has nothing to do with you is beyond me. But hey, you do you.

[WhoTom]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Hey, Tom. Thanks for the message. Why you choose to comment on a 16 hour old conversation that has nothing to do with you is beyond me. But hey, you do you.

 

It was just a joke. I was making fun of the Senate, actually.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

LOL, that's rich!

 

No, that's just me telling it like it is.

 

"Rich" would be something like you going out of your way in August to find me and mock the Yankees 30 year streak of winning records because you were certain it was coming to an end.............a topic you'd never mentioned prior..........and then never owning up to that stupidity after the Yanks played well the rest of the season and finished with a winning record once again  leaving you with a totally unnecessary face full of self-inflicted sticky stuff.  😂

 

You are the very definition of a poster of no account on TSW.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, WhoTom said:

I think Beane will draft a WR early.

"Surprise!  I got us an edge rusher!"

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

No, that's just me telling it like it is.

 

"Rich" would be something like you going out of your way in August to find me and mock the Yankees 30 year streak of winning records because you were certain it was coming to an end.............a topic you'd never mentioned prior..........and then never owning up to that stupidity after the Yanks played well the rest of the season and finished with a winning record once again  leaving you with a totally unnecessary face full of self-inflicted sticky stuff.  😂

 

You are the very definition of a poster of no account on TSW.  

LOL, not that I care, but I was mocking your banner waving for the INCREDIBLE FEAT of the most financially advantaged franchise of all time actually having a...  winning record...  LOL.  I did not predict that AMAZING accomplishment was not going to be achieved.  Congrats on the special season!!!  😂

 

In this case I was mocking YOU telling another poster to own up to their terrible take.  LOL.  Not exactly your strong suit!  🤣

 

 

[RobbRiddick]

I'm no fan of Davis but he's definitely due one of his monster games. I hope it comes against the Eagles. Maybe Brady was being super smart, no Davis targets this week so the Eagles have to spend more time planning for Shakir and Kincaid and forget about Gabe. Then big game Gabe turns it on in Philly with Nantz doing his patented "It's Davis!" call.

[Scott7975]

At the very least, I think Shakir has shown that he is our best slot option since Beasley and can remain a good one going forward.  I still would like better than Davis on the outside.  Can't have star players all over though.  I am happy that we have good options in Diggs, Cook, Kincaid, and Shakir.  Hopefully Josh keeps getting them the ball and we get a better option than Davis next year.  I really don't think Davis will be on this team next year.  The rest of the guys will.

 

One thing to add... that TD last night where Shakir got all that YAC to get it is something this offense sorely lacked that all other top offenses have had for years.  It was amazing to see that one.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Scott7975

[nedboy7]

Isn’t there someone on the PS who can do just as good as gabe? 

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

LOL, not that I care, but I was mocking your banner waving for the INCREDIBLE FEAT of the most financially advantaged franchise of all time actually having a...  winning record...  LOL.  I did not predict that AMAZING accomplishment was not going to be achieved.  Congrats on the special season!!!  😂

 

In this case I was mocking YOU telling another poster to own up to their terrible take.  LOL.  Not exactly your strong suit!  🤣

 

 

 

 

This is why I say you are a no account poster...........you just make sh!t up and don't show your work.  

 

Have I been proven wrong all along about Gabe Davis?   Or Edmunds?   When I said Rasul Douglas was a "great fit" when he was acquired......has that been proven wrong?    The reality is that there isn't anything remotely recent to take a mea culpa for. 

 

Because, unlike you, I don't go out of my way to have takes on things I don't have a well formed, reasonable opinion about.

 

"Not that you care" about looking ignorant or idiotic........but it doesn't advance discussion to be those things.   What is the end game of suggesting that the second longest winning season streak in pro spots isn't an  "incredible feat"?    What's the bar over such a long period of time?   Having the LONGEST such streak?   Which they ALSO have(39 years).  Winning the most titles of any pro sports teams? Which they do.   Having the most WS titles in that current 30 year span?  Which they do.    It's just an example of a dumb hill to kill yourself on.

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[BobbyC81]

Davis sure isn’t boosting his value for his upcoming free agency.

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

Yes

 

FTR, Davis played 93%, 99%, 98% and 88% of the snaps the last for games.

Shakir played 65%, 71%, 76%, 74%.

I don't THINK that points to Davis being superceded as the #2.

 

I think for this game, anyway, it points to Josh being smarter with taking what the defense offered and being patient.

 

17 hours ago, Roundybout said:

It's no surprise that something like six of Josh's interceptions this season have come targeting Davis. 

 

I think it's 4.  3 targeting Harty, 2 Diggs, 2 Knox, 1 Kincaid

 

I think the INT to Kincaid was that deflection that came nowhere near him.  Pretty sure at least 2 of the 3 INT to Hardy were deep shots, like the end-of-half this past game.

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, BBFL said:

😂

 

Im not saying that’s all he brings, just a definitive reason to have him out there consistently as he has, at times, shown flashes of decency to pair with his run blocking. 
 

But going forward a run game is the absolute necessity for success. Josh’s numbers from play action over the years are otherworldly. 
 

To your last point, there isn’t a moment where I don’t think we need a number 2 option.  We do. As it stands that seems to be Kincaid going forward which I am more than OK with. 
 

The last 5 teams who have won the Lombardi Chiefs, Pats, Rams, Bucs and Eagles all only had one if not 2 top end guys receiving the ball; either two WRs or a TE & WR combo. 
 

An efficient run game and Josh is a meltdown for a coordinator. 

That is how we are going to get anywhere in this season. Be it Josh running or Cook, I don’t care. Focal point has to be Play Action. 

This team's numbers when we're in play action are through the roof.  How Dorsey couldn't see this is incomprehensible?  Joe immediately scrubs the ridiculous shotgun draws.  Oh Sean, if you had only made this "Peterman type" change earlier. 

[bigK14094]

No, but he has closed the gap considerably.  Shikir now looking lilke a pro receiver.  He needed those couple of years to develope.  He and Josh smoked the Jets and that was exactly what the Bills needed to do to rebuild confidence.