Has Shakir overtaken Davis

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Gabe didn’t look superior in the WR3 role. Embrace debate clown. 

Yeah, look I've entertained your moronic replies enough. I'm going to enjoy a win. Have a great night. 

[RoscoeParrish]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yeah, look I've entertained your moronic replies enough. I'm going to enjoy a win. Have a great night. 

You fraid?

[TailgateChef]

34 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Yes WR is our top priority in this draft. Our defense will survive not getting a DT round 1 but this draft is special at WR. We’ll miss out on Harrison but Odunze is the guy I want. He’s a physical freak who has natural hands and man just look at the trust Penix has with this kid. Watch the last play of the Washington vs Oregon state game yesterday on 4th down to seal the win. He’s just clutch and would slide into the #1 job sooner rather than later…BUT even if we aren’t fortunate enough to nab him, this is a ridiculously loaded class. Beane better have some good scouts in the building finally to talk some sense in him not waiting until round 5 for guys who won’t ever produce in the NFL cough cough shorter. Hit on a sure thing early, which this class has a lot of. 

I've loved him since last year.  Wanted him in the 2nd, but he didn't declare.  My only gripe is he insists on keeping his eyes on the ball.  Won't pivot to turn an inside shoulder grab into an outside shoulder grab.  See his 2nd TD grab last night:

 

Still, he's literally a Dez Bryant clone.  I think he's gonna be dominant for years.

[AuntieEm]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Production wise, absolutely. However Gabe will likely still see his starting job safe. 

 

Shakir was fantastic, but so was Davis in that #3WR role. 

 

We have a QB that can deliver the ball to practically every inch of the field if given enough protection and the weapons to spread out a defense.  You add in a running game and yes at right times Allen may go for a little jaunt.  Not many defenses can do that for a whole game. Spread the ball all around everybody gets a ring.  

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Edited November 20, 2023 by AuntieEm

[HappyDays]

I mean, I guess. Shakir is fine which means he's better than Davis by default. By no means is he a true WR2 though, let's not overexaggerate. Our passing offense has a huge hole at the #2 spot behind Diggs. Tonight that was by far the biggest reason that some of our early drives stalled out. Brady and Allen maximized it as best they could, but it's still a pretty glaring vulnerability for our team right now.

 

If anything Cook and the run game have become our go to when Allen to Diggs isn't working. As long as we can use our RBs in the run and pass game as well as we did today, the #2 pass catcher role can be papered over with some combination of Kincaid and Shakir. I just worry about games where our passing offense has to be the engine of the team. Do we have enough there to win those kinds of games?

[BBFL]

Maybe in terms of target share but I think the player he actually supplanted was Harty 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

13 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

You fraid?

I’m sure all of us are “fraid” of you and your 132 posts 

[Trogdor]

59 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

I think Josh is done even looking his way 

Davis is a middle to deep route guy, which is exactly what you don't throw against the Jets. This game was tailor made for slot/te. I wouldn't read too much into 0 targets. 

[Mango]

A big part of Shakir’s upside has always been his versatility to play inside and out. Shakir should have always been in the slot, even going back to last year. He gives us a lot of wiggle room to move Diggs around as well. 
 

I think part of the problem is we keep (kept?) trying to replace Beasley with McKenzie and Harty. When we need a guy who was crisp with good hands. 
 

The more teams respect some of our slot guys like Shakir, Cook, and Kincade, the bigger games Diggs and to an extent Davis will have. When teams key in on Kincaid/Shakir underneath is when we should expect a big game from Davis. Which honestly, is perfect for him and us. 
 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Shakir is a good #3.  I think the Bills #2 is being drafted next year or in FA

[Tim Tindale]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

HE is saying that Davis was fantastic in the role of 3rd WR

Gabe never appeared as the slot WR in this offense that I’m aware of. 

[RoscoeParrish]

8 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I’m sure all of us are “fraid” of you and your 132 posts 

Alright taxi man, I’ll bite. What does number of posts have to do with anything? Should I log more hours on an Internet forum so you fraid?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Production wise, absolutely. However Gabe will likely still see his starting job safe. 

 

Shakir was fantastic, but so was Davis in that #3WR role. 

 

Indeed.  Having said that, curious WTF took them so long to figure that out.  

 

 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Tim Tindale said:

Gabe never appeared as the slot WR in this offense that I’m aware of. 

For whatever reason people have started to use WR3 as the starter in the slot and the backup outside interchangeably. 
 

But like I said above, if believe that if we use our slot guys (Kincaid, Shakir, Cook) effectively Gabe Davis is an OK guy on the outside to stretch the field and run a lot of deep routes. I think there is talent in the group. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t try to upgrade him. I would. I’d most definitely take somebody high in the draft.

[H2o]

22 minutes ago, TailgateChef said:

I've loved him since last year.  Wanted him in the 2nd, but he didn't declare.  My only gripe is he insists on keeping his eyes on the ball.  Won't pivot to turn an inside shoulder grab into an outside shoulder grab.  See his 2nd TD grab last night:

 

Still, he's literally a Dez Bryant clone.  I think he's gonna be dominant for years.

Odunze seems a bit stiff to me watching him play. I'm on the Xavier Leggette hype train. Very similar to AJ Brown when he was coming out of Ole Miss. He doesn't get the push that some of these other WR's are getting, but the talent and athletic ability are there.

 

 

 

[TailgateChef]

18 minutes ago, H2o said:

Odunze seems a bit stiff to me watching him play. I'm on the Xavier Leggette hype train. Very similar to AJ Brown when he was coming out of Ole Miss. He doesn't get the push that some of these other WR's are getting, but the talent and athletic ability are there.

 

 

 

I hope the Clemson vs SC game is available this weekend.  Will watch Leggette closely if so.

(I LOVE that deep crosser against Georgia for 35.  Rattler looks a bit like Josh there with the backpedal and set-throw.  That play would look so good Josh to Leggette!)

Edited November 20, 2023 by TailgateChef

[RoscoeParrish]

26 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Davis is a middle to deep route guy, which is exactly what you don't throw against the Jets. This game was tailor made for slot/te. I wouldn't read too much into 0 targets. 

 

Gabe Davis has 8 games of 3 catches or less and has 5 games of 35 yards or less. 

What kind of guy is that?
 

[In Summary]

IMO, the Jets specialize in taking away the mid/deep routes that Davis would run. Game plan was to use other players. Brady smartly abandoned the belief that you can only win by forcing it to Diggs and Davis.

[Big Turk]

Shakir is turning into a real player...all the dude does is make plays for them, and is great at YAC. 2nd time in 4 games with more than 90 yards receiving...if this continues, his emergence could be huge going forward and heading into net year.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Big Turk

[ProcessImproverMan]

Shakir to me has always shown good hands for the football. I don't see him dropping much if anything which is a huge plus. The drop against Miami in the playoff game last year was a tough catch to make but other than that, haven't seen him with the dropsies like Davis and Knox. Smooth runner too and has shown good work getting open. I don't think he is a true number 2 but he could easily be our new Beasley if we continue to work him in and scheme well.