McDermott weird comments about Josh Allen

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Josh needs to put in the off-season work.

 

I said it last year before the season ended, got shouted down, but Joe Marino this morning said it again: 

 

His off-seasons are drinking until he passes out, golf and Hollywood partying.

 

Listening to all his Kyle Brandt interviews was disappointing.

 

I think we have a Ben Roethlisberger/Brett Favre type worker.

 

Josh’s consecutive start streak is testament to his toughness and not a small accomplishment. 
 

But he doesn’t condition himself in the off-season, and has said he doesn’t over indulge in film. 
 

You want that intersection of talent and preparation and you’re just not getting it with Josh.

 

Does he really want to be great? I think his attitude suggests that he thinks “he’s the greatest athlete in the world” who can just show up in July and dominate. 

 
 

In terms of the staff, I think we will need an open interview with multiple minds at offensive coordinator.

One thing that everyone who dissects the All-22 agrees on is that the Bills scheme is not creative. While checkdowns are available on every passing play to the flats, everything else are basic plays, and you’ve heard multiple corners who have intercepted passes say the same thing - we knew what was coming and baited Josh Allen into the throw. 

 

Dorsey seemed to have set plays to beat certain coverages that he called over and over and over and over again. If we get this, we call this, if we see this we call that. And he also was overly concerned about not sticking with one thing too much even if it was working. Every week the offense felt like it was get more and more condensed East to West and North to South.

 

I defended him for awhile last year because he played high level football, was the starting QB on one of the best college teams of all time, and had a good career in the NFL as a coach. Not an over the hill OC (Frank Reich, Norv Turner type) and not a 29 year old OC who had 1.5 years as an offensive quality control coach. Dorsey simply showed he can’t compete at the highest levels of scheme and get his offense to execute. Firing him was the right decision because there was zero evidence this funk was going to end. 
 

I caught some of the Ben Johnson interview and he said they have a team of coaches upstairs who are constantly thinking of ideas to add formation variations into the offense. 
 

With Dorsey out of the building, and no dedicated QB Coach now, that’s one less offensive mind in the room to combat the defensive coordinators. 
 

The logical path is to fire McDermott and get a better/smarter staff in here. Do we need to hold onto McDermott as the HC/DC when we’ve seen his defense give up leads to the Patriots and Broncos, while also coming within a whisker of blowing the Giants and Bucs games?
 

No. We know it’s not going to be good enough in the Playoffs and 30+ points will be scored on us. 
 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

How many top 15 picks has he had?  It's very hard to get those type of players without getting a top draft pick.  If you do it generally has to be a development like Milano which takes some time.  I think last year was the first year he was able to draft an obvious talent like Kincaid in the first.  

 

not true.  Basham was an awful pick at the time , morose with Humphrey right there. Then the next year I think it was we passed on Lindenblume (C) all to trade up for Elam. 

[TheFunPolice]

17 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Exactly! Everybody WANTS TO win. The Bills problem, at least under McDermott anyway, is the their heads haven’t been in the moment, in the moment. Way, way, way too many foolish mistakes at crunch time. The really good teams and their coaches learn to stay focused at those crucial moments. It’s as if time stands still for them. There’s no pressure. No crowd noise. No thoughts about what happens if we fail. They’re simply undistracted. Very, very few people have that skill set. It is NOT luck! 

 

Brady said in his podcast on Sirius NFL radio that in those moments he would tell himself he already lost anyway, so it was all a second chance, house money. 

 

Basically a mental game he would play. 

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If you think about it, this is the first time he has really faced any serious and sustained criticism

There may be some truth in this. But I think it is less "flustered" and more that he is dissembling throughout the press confernce and everyone knows it, and it is very awkard to watch/listen to someone doing that. 

[TheFunPolice]

17 hours ago, mannc said:

Reminded me of the halftime interview in Cincinnati…I thought he was going to cry.

 

The pressure these guys are under, which is really just part of being a top team, seems to be breaking some of them 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

 

Allen has to want to be great and be willing to do whatever it takes.  As someone said, he needs to be obsessed about football excellence.

 

I don’t think Allen is wired this way. He seems to have a lot of interests outside of football that fulfills his life, especially in the offseason. Football seems like a career and not a passion that drives him to try and be the best. 

 

There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s a well rounded way to live life. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

WTF?  Taylor was getting called for formation penalties early in the season, but he’s adjusted and been very good overall this season.  The Chiefs drafted Skyy Moore late in the second round two years ago, and he’s sucked.  They drafted Rashee Rice in the second last year, and he’s been excellent.  

I disagree that he has been very good. 

 

IMO, he is the weakest link on that OL and that's not good when he was the shining addition this year. His PFF grade is well below average for OT's (it's worse than Spencer Brown which is surprising, but it's PFF so there's a boulder of salt there.)

 

Rashee Rice is currently 61st in the NFL in receiving yards. He's a bright spot in an underwhelming WR group. Again, IMO, but that Chiefs receiving group is even worse this year and they were nothing special last year.

[Sherlock Holmes]

47 minutes ago, Maynard said:

From the bottom or top? 

 

[starrymessenger]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I don’t think Allen is wired this way. He seems to have a lot of interests outside of football that fulfills his life, especially in the offseason. Football seems like a career and not a passion that drives him to try and be the best. 

 

There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s a well rounded way to live life. 

If that's true I think it represents a change. When he first came into the league and indeed the determination he showed in pursuing his career before he became a pro, showed great passion for the game. And he seemed to enjoy playing, seemed to be having fun. Now he sulks on the bench by himself. His head is not right.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

WTF?  Taylor was getting called for formation penalties early in the season, but he’s adjusted and been very good overall this season.  The Chiefs drafted Skyy Moore late in the second round two years ago, and he’s sucked.  They drafted Rashee Rice in the second last year, and he’s been excellent.  

KC’s gm has been above average with his drafts in general. Especially finding gems in the later rounds. But you gotta admit he hasn’t been great at drafting receivers. Hardman over Metcalf. Moore over Pickens. Just two examples of bad wr drafting. Their best wr drafted was Hill and he wasn’t a wr coming out of college. That was also not a Veach draft I don’t think. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Taylor is one of the top rated pass blocking tackles in the NFL. He’s not great at run blocking but the Chiefs rarely run.

See above.

 

IMO, what made the Chiefs so dynamic last year was their RB’s. I think you could argue their biggest non-Kelce weapons were Pacheco and McKinnon. They have struggled to replicate that this season and have put more on the WRs and Mahomes.

[90sBills]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

If that's true I think it represents a change. When he first came into the league and indeed the determination he showed in pursuing his career before he became a pro, showed great passion for the game. And he seemed to enjoy playing, seemed to be having fun. Now he sulks on the bench by himself. His head is not right.

He definitely worked hard in the early years to get to where he is, a top NFL qb. From the outside it seems like he has let up on the offseason work. Maybe he felt like he has made it. I would be very surprised if we don’t see him get back to more rigorous training this coming offseason. This season has been humbling for Allen, the team, and Bills fans in general. 

[The Wiz]

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

facts are a joke? 

They appear to be in this case. 

[starrymessenger]

49 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

He definitely worked hard in the early years to get to where he is, a top NFL qb. From the outside it seems like he has let up on the offseason work. Maybe he felt like he has made it. I would be very surprised if we don’t see him get back to more rigorous training this coming offseason. This season has been humbling for Allen, the team, and Bills fans in general. 

Well he'd better start sorting it out because if he's not going to turn it around I'd rather roll the dice on Drake Maye or Caleb Williams. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Josh needs to put in the off-season work.

 

I said it last year before the season ended, got shouted down, but Joe Marino this morning said it again: 

 

His off-seasons are drinking until he passes out, golf and Hollywood partying.

 

Listening to all his Kyle Brandt interviews was disappointing.

 

I think we have a Ben Roethlisberger/Brett Favre type worker.

 

Josh’s consecutive start streak is testament to his toughness and not a small accomplishment. 
 

But he doesn’t condition himself in the off-season, and has said he doesn’t over indulge in film. 
 

You want that intersection of talent and preparation and you’re just not getting it with Josh.

 

Does he really want to be great? I think his attitude suggests that he thinks “he’s the greatest athlete in the world” who can just show up in July and dominate. 

 
 

In terms of the staff, I think we will need an open interview with multiple minds at offensive coordinator.

One thing that everyone who dissects the All-22 agrees on is that the Bills scheme is not creative. While checkdowns are available on every passing play to the flats, everything else are basic plays, and you’ve heard multiple corners who have intercepted passes say the same thing - we knew what was coming and baited Josh Allen into the throw. 

 

Dorsey seemed to have set plays to beat certain coverages that he called over and over and over and over again. If we get this, we call this, if we see this we call that. And he also was overly concerned about not sticking with one thing too much even if it was working. Every week the offense felt like it was get more and more condensed East to West and North to South.

 

I defended him for awhile last year because he played high level football, was the starting QB on one of the best college teams of all time, and had a good career in the NFL as a coach. Not an over the hill OC (Frank Reich, Norv Turner type) and not a 29 year old OC who had 1.5 years as an offensive quality control coach. Dorsey simply showed he can’t compete at the highest levels of scheme and get his offense to execute. Firing him was the right decision because there was zero evidence this funk was going to end. 
 

I caught some of the Ben Johnson interview and he said they have a team of coaches upstairs who are constantly thinking of ideas to add formation variations into the offense. 
 

With Dorsey out of the building, and no dedicated QB Coach now, that’s one less offensive mind in the room to combat the defensive coordinators. 
 

The logical path is to fire McDermott and get a better/smarter staff in here. Do we need to hold onto McDermott as the HC/DC when we’ve seen his defense give up leads to the Patriots and Broncos, while also coming within a whisker of blowing the Giants and Bucs games?
 

No. We know it’s not going to be good enough in the Playoffs and 30+ points will be scored on us. 
 

 

Step 1: fire McDermott amd all offensive staff.

2. Hire an offensive minded HC implementing a WCO.

 

[Scott7975]

I read McD hopes Josh Allen gets back to the old Josh Allen.  Personally I always felt that McD is at least partially responsible for the new Josh Allen.

 

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

It would be interesting to know what up-and-coming offensive assistant coaches think about the Bills OC position.   If you would like to have a future that follows the standard ladder - Assistant, Position Coach, Coordinator, Head Coach, would Buffalo be attractive?  Or do assistants around the league already think that the environment is poisoned, and the coordinator position there won't be a good stepping stone?  When Sean McDermott goes to the market to hire the next OC, will the best candidates submit their resumes?

 

I'm getting a little senile, but I could have sworn I made a comment about this.  A little differently I think but basically the same meaning and you told me of course people would want to be OC here.  Did you change your thought on that?

Edited November 18, 2023 by Scott7975

[90sBills]

31 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Well he'd better start sorting it out because if he's not going to turn it around I'd rather roll the dice on Drake Maye or Caleb Williams. 

I’m not sold on those guys at the next level. There’s no way I’d move on from Allen for any college prospects. Allen is athletically gifted and he has shown he can be great at the highest levels. Let’s work on the consistency aspect and all will be good. Oh a new coaching staff wouldn’t hurt either. 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, BlazinBill said:

Neve really mattered to me that we had a defensive head coach, especially with how he turned the franchise around. But I can say it's very clear to me that both Beane and McDermott struggle to properly analyze offensive talent.

The biggest concern I had was after Kincaid was drafted Dorsey flat up said he wasn't sure how he would use him.- I'm sorry what? Chalked it up to deflecting - now though it wasn't that at all.

And to your point how the hell did it take this long being around him to make a decision - the constant umms when he spoke drive me insane 

 

Thats part of Dorsey's problem.  He doesn't seem to know how to identify what players do well and how to utilize that.  He may know his X's and O's but he doesn't seem to have a feel for it.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Josh needs to put in the off-season work.

 

I said it last year before the season ended, got shouted down, but Joe Marino this morning said it again: 

 

His off-seasons are drinking until he passes out, golf and Hollywood partying.

 

Listening to all his Kyle Brandt interviews was disappointing.

 

I think we have a Ben Roethlisberger/Brett Favre type worker.

 

Josh’s consecutive start streak is testament to his toughness and not a small accomplishment. 
 

But he doesn’t condition himself in the off-season, and has said he doesn’t over indulge in film. 
 

You want that intersection of talent and preparation and you’re just not getting it with Josh.

 

Does he really want to be great? I think his attitude suggests that he thinks “he’s the greatest athlete in the world” who can just show up in July and dominate. 

 
 

In terms of the staff, I think we will need an open interview with multiple minds at offensive coordinator.

One thing that everyone who dissects the All-22 agrees on is that the Bills scheme is not creative. While checkdowns are available on every passing play to the flats, everything else are basic plays, and you’ve heard multiple corners who have intercepted passes say the same thing - we knew what was coming and baited Josh Allen into the throw. 

 

Dorsey seemed to have set plays to beat certain coverages that he called over and over and over and over again. If we get this, we call this, if we see this we call that. And he also was overly concerned about not sticking with one thing too much even if it was working. Every week the offense felt like it was get more and more condensed East to West and North to South.

 

I defended him for awhile last year because he played high level football, was the starting QB on one of the best college teams of all time, and had a good career in the NFL as a coach. Not an over the hill OC (Frank Reich, Norv Turner type) and not a 29 year old OC who had 1.5 years as an offensive quality control coach. Dorsey simply showed he can’t compete at the highest levels of scheme and get his offense to execute. Firing him was the right decision because there was zero evidence this funk was going to end. 
 

I caught some of the Ben Johnson interview and he said they have a team of coaches upstairs who are constantly thinking of ideas to add formation variations into the offense. 
 

With Dorsey out of the building, and no dedicated QB Coach now, that’s one less offensive mind in the room to combat the defensive coordinators. 
 

The logical path is to fire McDermott and get a better/smarter staff in here. Do we need to hold onto McDermott as the HC/DC when we’ve seen his defense give up leads to the Patriots and Broncos, while also coming within a whisker of blowing the Giants and Bucs games?
 

No. We know it’s not going to be good enough in the Playoffs and 30+ points will be scored on us. 
 

 

Favre and Roethlisberger are in the Hall of Fame with three SuperBowl wins. We can only hope Allen has same career.

[Billzgobowlin]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

not true.  Basham was an awful pick at the time , morose with Humphrey right there. Then the next year I think it was we passed on Lindenblume (C) all to trade up for Elam. 

I'm not sure what this in reference to.  Basham was not an awful pick.  He was a second round pick that most thought had a very strong game.  Humphrey wasn't a can't miss plus we didn't need a second Center