McDermott weird comments about Josh Allen

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

food for thought that I hadn't considered before today

 

in a battle of wills that would eventually decide who stays and who goes, could Allen potentially lose out to McDermott?

I thought u were the anti weed guy lol pass that good smoke this way broooo

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Rex Ryan had this team on the rise?

Yes he did. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Can't you? I can. Just enough to draw the season out and keep hope going without any actual certainty until a heartbreaking loss to the Dolphins in week eighteen.

 

I really don't see that. 

 

I think either this team, digs deep and turns it on at the right time.

 

Then Milano starts practicing. Jones starts practicing. 

 

Things start to come together for Von Miller. 

 

the team peaks just at the right time...

 

 

OR

 

dumpster fire 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I really don't see that. 

 

I think either this team, digs deep and turns it on at the right time.

 

Then Milano starts practicing. Jones starts practicing. 

 

Things start to come together for Von Miller. 

 

the team peaks just at the right time...

 

 

OR

 

dumpster fire 

 

Would prefer either - at least there would be a degree of certainty!

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

 

They should get used to it. At least compared to the level of winning they have been used to the last 3-4 years.

 

Even if the Bills win a SB this year, they have a looming low/mid-level reset. We are the oldest team in the league with something like 25 pending FA's and no cap space next year. We have to clear out some a lot of our age and expensive contracts without much depth in the wings. It will likely mean a bit of a step back to retool and reload. Not that I expect us to be bad. We have a QB. But I expect us to be about a 10-7 team in 2024 and maybe 2025. 

Turns out that record may be coming a year sooner than planned. 

 

Yeah we are going to have to retool for sure.  Thats kinda part of the reason I think it's time for McD to go.  He built a good foundation here and got us some good wins. Unfortunately, he didn't get the complete job done while contracts were on the cheap.  Retooling with McD will just be a defensive retooling.  It kinda needs to happen but at the same time wtf... its time to build around Allen 3 seasons ago min.  It's time to stop with this 200 man defensive rotation, cornerback rotation now too.

 

I think when a team needs to retool and it's on the fence with a coach then it's the best time to get that new coach in there.  That way new coach can retool the team in his vision instead of wasting another year with someone else's vision.

[timekills17]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

If you think those comments are weird you should have heard him talk on WGR right before his press conference.  I really haven't had a problem with McD and some of the things he says but this was kind of a "this is my team and you need to do it my way" kind of comment and it really made me lose faith in him.

 

He was asked about the Cook benching after the fumble and basically said that he hadn't earned his trust the same as someone that might have been with the team for a longer period of time.

 

I'm assuming this is a direct "trust" comparison between benching Cook and not benching Davis after he had an INT go off of his hands.  So a guy who fumbled twice in 27 games gets less trust than a 58% catch percentage receiver.  Got it.

After the first fumble and then the Gabe drop to INT - I completely agreed.

After the fumbled handoff, which everyone seems to attribute to JA17, I thought "If I were Cook, I would have been looking that ball into my stomach so hard that I might take a loss before I let it go."

And then he fumbled on the 41 yard play, which thankfully (although ultimately didn't matter) bounced right back to him.

 

So yeah - it was probably a little drastic at the time.

But maybe the coach(es) were concerned that Cook is more prone to "bad fumble days"; i.e. he is always really good at ball control except those rare days he isn't. And that was one of those days. At the time he went back in it wouldn't really have mattered if he fumbled again. We needed his offense and could risk the TO because they were going to lose without his skillset. And lo and behold it happened twice more that day to the guy who had "only fumbled twice in 27 games."

 

Now back to Josh and Mc'D's comments: just like the Cook benching, I'm reserving judgement until I see a result. I won't need to wait long, but not going to judge his comments based on what I *think* (unlike most talking heads who seem to know what Diggs is thinking better than Diggs does.)

Edited November 17, 2023 by timekills17

[folz]

I'm with Shaw regarding the benching of Cook. And was going to post something similar.

 

We had an offense/team that was in a slump and needed a spark to turn things around. Sean went against his normal inclination to defer the opening kickoff to try and spark the offense, show confidence in them, get them started early. So, we receive the kick and the very first play Cook fumbles. This immediately takes the wind out of the sails of the offense, the team, and the stadium/fans---I think people already started booing at that point---puts the defense immediately backs to the wall, etc.. Everything you built up all week to try and get off the snide, start fast, etc. was gone on the first play from scrimmage. Have a seat Cook.

 

While I was watching the game, I didn't think there was anything wrong with that and knew exactly why it was done. We have seen Belichick and many other coaches do the same, continuously throughout their coaching tenures. It wasn't some crazy thing that Sean did that no other coach would do. And when he talked about length of time with the team or whatever, I don't think he was necessarily referring to Gabe as a comparison. Cook is in his second year, he has a total of 209 carries and 1,122 yards with 3 TDs and 3 fumbles lost. He has flashed a lot and we all want him to become a great back, but he hasn't fully earned his stripes in the league yet. Now, if a Derrick Henry, or a Thurman Thomas fumbles on the first play, you aren't worried about them going forward. But, look, Cook dropped the ball twice more in the game (one may have been on Josh). Maybe he has dropped a lot of balls in practice, maybe that and pass blocking is what keeps him from getting more playing time over the last two years.

 

Either way, I find it funny that people are using that situation as another thing to pile on McD with. There are lots of things you can question about how McD is handling things, I just don't think this is one of them.

 

Also, on the Gabe "drop." Yes, any ball that hits your hands should be caught...that's the rule and I'm not going to give Gabe a pass here. But, even when I was watching the play live, real time...after Josh let it go, before it even got to Gabe, I said, oh no, Josh put too much juice on that ball. And sure enough, it goes through Gabe's hands. And every replay I watch I just kept thinking Josh put way too much on that ball. Now to be fair to Josh, there were two defenders closing in from either side, so he probably felt that he needed to get it there fast, rifle it in, thread the needle...and we already had the fumble, so he's probably already pressing a bit and just put too much on the ball. So, I think that one was kind of on both players. I know that won't be a popular opinion, but that's how I saw it.

[Buffalo03]

13 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Yes he did. 

No, he didn't. It's bad when people hate McDermott so much that they will spout off complete nonsense to try to make a point. McDermott and Beane built this team to what it is and has been. Rex Ryan and Doug Whaley did not. I think you know that but also want McDermott gone and won't give him credit for building the team the way he has. The Bills were not an up and coming team when McDermott took over. They were a middling team that was coming off a season that was much like the mediocre seasons they had for 16 seasons. Give me a break

Edited November 17, 2023 by Buffalo03

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I thought u were the anti weed guy lol pass that good smoke this way broooo

I'm not anti weed lol

 

I'm just thinking out loud is all. McDermott's gone out of his way to criticize Allen since the Broncos game ended and this most recent press conference...I just thought it was weird. Maybe I'm not listening enough to other HCs talk about their QBs when their team struggles but I don't think he goes in on Allen like this unless he's 100% secure in his job.

[Mango]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah we are going to have to retool for sure.  Thats kinda part of the reason I think it's time for McD to go.  He built a good foundation here and got us some good wins. Unfortunately, he didn't get the complete job done while contracts were on the cheap.  Retooling with McD will just be a defensive retooling.  It kinda needs to happen but at the same time wtf... its time to build around Allen 3 seasons ago min.  It's time to stop with this 200 man defensive rotation, cornerback rotation now too.

 

I think when a team needs to retool and it's on the fence with a coach then it's the best time to get that new coach in there.  That way new coach can retool the team in his vision instead of wasting another year with someone else's vision.

I think maybe there is a version of the simulation where we keep McD one more year, maybe two, but only if he can keep some control over the locker rooms . 
 

Josh Allen makes Buffalo appealing but a bunch of old players and no cap space make it tough to be super successful quickly. 
 

It might not be the worst idea to let McD ride out another season, but Beane is prepping for life without him in the 2024 draft with a heavy focus on offense. It may require even an official sit down about heirarchy. That also means a guy like Brady gets a full calendar as OC. Then in 2025 a new HC comes in with a load of money, a young roster, and a franchise QB. That person in theory could be Joe Brady if he gets this offense firing. 

[GoBills808]

46 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lots of coaches bench fumblers. They don’t bench pass droppers nearly as much. 

Davis fumbles too

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Davis fumbles too

Less than once per year no?

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, folz said:

Also, on the Gabe "drop." Yes, any ball that hits your hands should be caught...that's the rule and I'm not going to give Gabe a pass here. But, even when I was watching the play live, real time...after Josh let it go, before it even got to Gabe, I said, oh no, Josh put too much juice on that ball. And sure enough, it goes through Gabe's hands. And every replay I watch I just kept thinking Josh put way too much on that ball. Now to be fair to Josh, there were two defenders closing in from either side, so he probably felt that he needed to get it there fast, rifle it in, thread the needle...and we already had the fumble, so he's probably already pressing a bit and just put too much on the ball. So, I think that one was kind of on both players. I know that won't be a popular opinion, but that's how I saw it.

I had a buddy at the game who texted me something similar. That Josh was just blasting heaters with little touch all night and making it tough on receivers. 
 

I think Josh’s arm strength, or lack of control sometimes makes it tough on receivers. It isn’t just how hard the pass hits, but it’s the timing from release to hitting a guy in the hands too. When throws are fast balls and a little bit late all the time it makes timing catches difficult. 

 

All that said, ball hits you in the hands, catch it.

[BananaB]

Well losing sucks and that’s where they are right now. 
 

Josh gets on the podium and takes the blame for everything while the HC consistently points at the O and gives his D a pass. Even when his D has had multiple chances to close out games they  come up short. Even when the O starts getting hot late in games and they need a stop to give them 1 more shot to get the W, the D can’t make a stop. “You don’t win the turnover battle you don’t win games”, that’s the gist of his press conference after every game. You can’t win the turnover battle when your D doesn’t force turnovers. Allen is just expected to play damn near perfect every game and it’s probably in his head right now. After his TD the other night to put them ahead it was like he knew there wasn’t much since of celebrating until the clock hits zero. It was kind of funny. And I’m sure every Bills fan had the exact same feeling, I know did. 
 

McD might be in the hot seat but all the pressure is in Josh and McD ain’t making it easier. 
 

 

[Mango]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm not anti weed lol

 

I'm just thinking out loud is all. McDermott's gone out of his way to criticize Allen since the Broncos game ended and this most recent press conference...I just thought it was weird. Maybe I'm not listening enough to other HCs talk about their QBs when their team struggles but I don't think he goes in on Allen like this unless he's 100% secure in his job.

That’s a good point. That hadn’t occurred to me.

 

In general I think you back Allen in this fight, and it isn’t really close at all.

 

But for the sake of this exercise let’s pretend it’s an Allen issue (it’s not) and look down the road. Unless McD hits on another QB in the next 3-4 years he’s likely out of a job because he failed the QB position. So even if you think you might have a guy who can play the position, then rally around the passer. It’s not like McD is Tomlin or Harbaugh. He hasn’t won a championship. 

[folz]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Davis fumbles too

 

Two fumbles in four years.

 

And what no one who brings up Gabe's catch percentage points out is the difficultly level of the balls thrown to him. Most of the throws to Gabe are deep shots, either fly patterns, posts, deep outs, etc. Those throws have a much higher-level of difficulty. For instance, if you compare his catch percentage to a slot receiver or a possession receiver whose majority of receptions are under 10 yards, well of course those players are going to have a higher percentage than Gabe.

 

I'm not forgiving Gabe for his drops or for not fighting hard enough for contested balls sometimes, but catch percentage has to be looked at in context.

[Milanos Milano]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Well Allen takes every chance he can to remind everyone how there is nothing to do in Buffalo. 

Because there isn’t. Born and raised in WNY and it’s just a boring place. If you like the outdoors it’s fun (boating, atv, snow activities, etc), but players in season aren’t doing that because they can’t. 

[beer can shower]

Could it be McDermott realizes HE created a Quarterback that has to be reigned in?  (not referring to running.)

 

Would he like to look in the film room and now see Allen in there?

 

 

Wonder if HE regrets giving Allen the pick of the Team's OC.

 

 

Would McDermott have given Knox such a large contract if Knox was not Allen's buddy?

 

Would McDermott have to look twice if HE saw Allen working out in their Gym?

 

Is McDermott now realizing to himself that the only reason He signed Kyle Allen as the backup Quarterback because He was Allen's good Friend?

   (BTW Kyle might be a great guy...but)

 

Wonder how McDermott feels when He sees Allen all offseason doing His "thing" (showing up at all the major golf tournaments, commercials, Hollywood, etc) and then comes to camp and still has issues with reading defenses but doesn't put in the work. Just utterances in the media of "putting in more work, more focus".

 

McDermott gave Allen the big contract and now wonders did He create "Holywood Highlight Josh" and let him do as he pleased with no accountability.

 

Input from your QB is surely  a good thing.  But this has been ridiculous.

 

McDermott gave Allen carte blanche and Allen took it and ran with it.  Did it result in a better team?  Or a cover on Madden?

 

I by no means am A fan of McDermott. 
He should be gone.
He has lost the Team a long while ago and certainly as pointed out  above, He may have created something with Allen that may not be able to be fixed.

 

Is He now capable of saying to Allen that He (McDermott) is in charge?

 

Bills need a Coach that has the final say, not catering to the whims of certain players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Less than once per year no?

Think so

[Saint Doug]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You don't think this is a weird thing to say as a head coach in reference to your QB?

 

...McDermott on why he think that's dissipated with Allen over the last few weeks: "Yeah, I have my own thoughts, but I won’t go there right now. '

 

That is a legitimately bizarre thing to say in a press conference.

I’ve heard it repeatedly at high levels that McD has been reading TBD and agrees with the girlfriend theory.