McDermott weird comments about Josh Allen

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This all sounds pretty bizarre:

 

Ealier this week McDermott was asked about firing Dorsey and said "OC is a leadership position." Is it possible he felt that Dorsey wasn't getting Allen and the other offensive players into the right mindset and energy? And this more than play calling is what led to the firing?

 

He also said that "Sometimes there are things in the margins that go unnoticed but are important and it's also important to do things the right way."  

 

I got that Dorsey allowed them to be sloppy in practices and that carried over to the games.  Makes sense...you play how you practice.

[LABILLBACKER]

22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

What is the drop everyone talks about?   The ball that was intercepted, or was there another one?

 

Whatever, drops are different from fumbles.   No player executes correctly on 100% of his plays, and you don't bench players for occasional failures to execute.   Fumbles are different.   Fumbles are game-changing plays.   In the NFL, if you're a fumbler, you don't play.  If you drop enough passes you don't play, either, if you drop one here or there, you don't get benched. 

Drops that result directly in a turnover and loss of points/ possession "are exactly as egregious as any fumble".  And yes I'm talking about the Gabe drop/interception. And Gabes career 52% hardly screams " here and there".  And to use your own words, " you don't bench players for occassional failure to execute.  According to James' fumble rate, Gabe has a higher failure rate than James.  McD should've benched both if he wanted to be fair.  But he picks & chooses.  

Edited November 17, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[mykidsdad]

They called Dorsey a psycopath and often described him as more intense than DaBalls. Seriously, if youre thinking youre stinking. Get Josh out of his own head and lets dominate again.

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Cook has fumbled 3 times on 254 touches.

 

Davis is a 52% career completion success rate receiver.

 

Help me make sense of your statement and those numbers.

I'm sorry, but I can't help you with reading comprehension.  All I can do is repeat what I said:

 

Fumbling on the first play of the game means the player was not prepared to play.  If he's not prepared, he needs to sit and get himself prepared. 

 

Turnovers are different from drops.   Completely different. 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This all sounds pretty bizarre:

 

Ealier this week McDermott was asked about firing Dorsey and said "OC is a leadership position." Is it possible he felt that Dorsey wasn't getting Allen and the other offensive players into the right mindset and energy? And this more than play calling is what led to the firing?

 

IMO Dorsey had them playing like kitty cats instead of tigers on offense. It started sucking the life and energy out of them after a while.  

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

In fairness to him, if the team's not going to support him, I'd be the first one to encourage him to leave.  

 

That's Pegula's problem then.  

 

If Pegula places loyalty and "culture" crap ahead of performance, oh well, that's on him.  

 

He can't expect the fans to chum up to his new and improved twice-the-prices STs and PSLs though.  Good luck with that.  

 

The fact that in seven seasons McBeane still tinker with the D instead of focusing all but exclusively on the offense really makes a statement there.  

 

 

 

Terry knows he needs a competitive team going into the new stadium. I am sure Beane and McDermott are facing pressure to turn this around. Like you said... good luck asking fans to pay a big increase in ticket prices along with PSL fees for a crap product. Terry can ask Johnson and Mara how that worked out. It didn't.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Drops that result directly in a turnover and loss of points/ possession "are exactly as egregious as any fumble".  And yes I'm talking about the Gabe drop/interception. And Gabes career 52% hardly screams " here and there".  And to use your own words, " you don't bench players for occassional failure to execute.  According to James' fumble rate, Gabe has a higher failure rate than James.  McD should've benched both if he wanted to be fair.  But he picks & chooses.  

Lots of coaches bench fumblers. They don’t bench pass droppers nearly as much. 

[Figster]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

For all the talk about Dorsey's X's and O's I think your point was likely his biggest flaw. A huge part of coaching isn't just telling people the right things to do, it is getting them to do those things, finding the right words, to get the desired results. In fact, most coaches in the NFL are likely pretty comparable when it comes to x's and o's, but the difference between good to great is communicating that, and providing the proper environment/structure around it. 

Like a bunch of former QB's have said "guys are open, you have to make a play". Some of that is on the individual and some is on the coach. 

Whatever Dorsey was saying, nobody was hearing. It was time to move on because of that more so than any play call. 

Great post Mango

 

You guys have seen me float the idea of Ryan Fitzpatrick as Buffalo's next OC more than once. From a Bills/ players perspective If Fitz tells them something players will respond well and listen. Josh would respond well under Fitzpatrick. The Chan Gailey playbook with Fitz calling plays and poof,

 

like magic, the Billls O and Josh Allen are riding high in the saddle once again!   

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

McDermott is acting like a guy who is under a lot of pressure and is not handling it very well.  Not a good look for the franchise.

He got rid of the DC and then the OC.  He knows he's next.

 

He damned well should be uneasy.  

 

If we look bad enough to round out the season, he may not be back. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

8 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

LOL 

 

That's why I gave more credit to McDaniels.  

 

Notice that Brady's career really surged once McDaniel started being the OC.  But Brady developed under Weiss.  The point being that I don't credit Belichick for that, at all.  

 

Weiss was a disaster as a HC at ND.  

 

 

He was a disaster, but I look back fondly on Brady Quinn slinging TDs to Jeff Smardzija.

[TheFunPolice]

33 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't even credit Belichick.  I credit Charlie Weiss and ultimately Josh McDaniels who despite his failures as a HC was a solid OC.  

 

Brady had a head for the game that may be second to none in history.  Allen's bright, but he also seems to be a little too disconnected at times.  Who knows whether it was the distractions re: Brittany, Steinfeld, his obsession with golf, etc.  

 

One thing's clear, coaching should be mentoring him in some way.  If at that point he's still disengaged, then that's another story.  

 

 

 

Interesting you mention Brady. 

 

I was recently watching this game between the 7-0 Colts and 6-1 Patriots from SNF in Foxborough in 2006.

 

It reminded me that Tom Brady was once just a great football player, but a young guy who wasn't the basically perfect robot that he became once he hit 38 or 39 years old and never threw picks, never threw incomplete passes, and basically never lost. At least it seemed that way. 

 

He threw 4 INT at home this night, which wasn't usual for him, but he was a young, dynamic player who wasn't always perfect back then. That's your Josh Allens, Joe Burrows, Patrick Mahomes types now (not that they will become Brady).

 

But Brady wasn't "Brady" then either. He was a top QB in the league, had won some Super Bowls, but wasn't anywhere near what he would become. 

 

He won more Super Bowls after age 37 than before. That's crazy. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[frostbitmic]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, right there.  And this goes back to McBeane despite their apologists not wanting to see that. 

 

Can't understand why McD's not taking more heat for the lack of Allen's focus, development, preparation, etc.  If his choice for OCs can't do it, then he needs to personally step in.  This isn't D-III ball.  

 

It's impossible to sugarcoat anymore.  Any semblance of "winning culture" has been immolated by McD.  It's stunning that he hasn't lost the team yet.  Maybe he has, but if not, it's surprising.  

 

Either way, the last five years have been a clinic on if you're going to trade-up and draft a QB at 7th overall, you damn well better be prepared to stock him with an OL and some solid receiving options immediately after that to the best of your ability.  But no, not here.  We continue to pour resources into, and even repeatedly, into our defense.  SMH  

 

Here, McBeane treated the OL and receivers like an afterthought!  Shameful.  Many have been saying it for years, but now those chickens have finally come home to roost.  

 

 

That will be the million dollar question Sunday... After the Dorsey firing will the team come out hyped and ready to play or come out looking like they wanted someone else punted.

 

Samson has been in a funk since Delilah cut his hair on her way out of the mansion.

[billieve420]

Find it funny all this energy/low positive stuff. Winning cures all and Josh needs to figure out what it takes to get the win nothing more nothing less. I will say he needs to dump wherever he got that low positive stuff from. Pre-game speech last game didn't show a guy that was confident.

 

https://x.com/BuffaloBills/status/1724225121416552868?s=20

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I think people are trying to play pretend psychiatrist.  It's pretty simple.  Allen is mentally weak right now. 

Lol. Ironic

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’m putting 400$ on the Jets to win this week, this train is about to fly off the rails. 

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

Some of this might just be changes in his life. He is no longer in that relationship. Daboll is gone. Stefon seems to always be pissed off at him. His game isn't quite where it was. The team is losing and the pressure is different. It's not new anymore, now there are real expectations. 

 

Not to be too corny, but we can all probably remember a time in life when everything was "magical." There's tons of movies and literature about that feeling, and what happens when we lose that feeling and things become mundane. 

 

Could be why he doesn't have the same look in his eyes, and I'm glad McDermott said it too, because everyone can see it. 

 

 

Maybe he’s realized Hailee can’t bring it in the boudoir like his ex could. That’s enough to depress anybody. 

[TheFunPolice]

to me, this has the feeling of either:

 

1) being on the verge of a Hollywood type turnaround where the Bills go on to win the Super Bowl

2) being on the verge of a total meltdown and chaos

 

I can't see a win one, lose one, win one, lose one type outcome. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Maybe he should be taking blame for the end-of-game debacle? https://theathletic.com/5066747/2023/11/16/bills-mayday-field-goal-12-men-penalty-sean-mcdermott/. There is zero reason that the Bills should have done a fire-drill change of personnel like Denver did, and this article stresses that. Just keep your base defense out there and eliminate the risk of a personnel snafu. That's on McDermott as much as the ST coach.

 

'The Athletic talked to two recently out-of-the-game special teams coordinators and three other current NFL staffers who work closely with coaching decisions, and all five agreed that an NFL team should not sub out their existing defense for the field goal block defense when they are operating in a “mayday” field goal situation. There’s not enough time to guarantee a clean substitution (under two minutes, the officials don’t stand over the ball to allow a man-for-man substitution) and the chances of blocking a field goal are miniscule.

“Defensively, we would never substitute an opponent’s mayday situation for the exact reason (of) what happened the other night,” said Mike Priefer, longtime special teams coordinator for four NFL teams, most recently the Cleveland Browns.

Over the past five seasons, just 2.2 percent of all field goal attempts have been blocked across the NFL (86 of 3,925), and it’s been even less common with the game on the line. Over the same span, just 1.8 percent of all potential game-tying/go-ahead field goal attempts in the fourth quarter or overtime have been blocked (7 of 392).

Buffalo has actually had better-than-average results on this play. The Bills have blocked 2.7 percent of all opponent field goal attempts under head coach Sean McDermott, the seventh-highest rate across the NFL since his first season in 2017. That includes 7.1 percent of potential game-tying/go-ahead attempts in the fourth quarter or OT by their opponents (1 of 14).

But that’s still not enough reward to risk a more likely and unnecessary result: Having too many men on the field.

“You don’t want to give them a second chance,” Priefer said. “Whatever 11 is on the field, in a mayday situation, nickel or dime, keep them out there and make sure you don’t have more than six on the line of scrimmage on one side of the center or the other, and make sure you come off the edge.”'

 

McD actually talked about this exact thing in one of his pressers.  Probably why they made that article.  Conveniently McD left out the part about who told the FG crew to go out there instead of keeping the base defense in.

[TheFunPolice]

I have been very critical of McDermott, but what if he (and Josh) just love the team and fans and wants to win so badly that their frustrations are getting the best of them? 

 

This team needs a Marty Biron type in the locker room right now

[UKBillFan]

10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

to me, this has the feeling of either:

 

1) being on the verge of a Hollywood type turnaround where the Bills go on to win the Super Bowl

2) being on the verge of a total meltdown and chaos

 

I can't see a win one, lose one, win one, lose one type outcome. 

 

Can't you? I can. Just enough to draw the season out and keep hope going without any actual certainty until a heartbreaking loss to the Dolphins in week eighteen.