McDermott weird comments about Josh Allen

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I watched all the press conferences and interviews of McD (including this one), the players, Brady, Frazier, etc all season and especially the last few weeks and through Dorseys firing.  And some things have really stood out for me and these are some of the impressions I cam away with:

1. McD and the team want to see Josh use his legs more and the emphasis on the lack of running seems to be more Dorsey centric.  McD and multiple people have alluded to getting his legs more involved and that threat for the defense to have to account for.  They don't want him to take unnecessary damage, but the threat of him running is a huge part of what makes him special and they know that. 
2. Dorsey led offense just didn't have the same energy and fun which may have to do with the intensity and seriousness of Dorsey.
3. Josh Allen has had the emotion coached out of him in an attempt to tame the turnovers and it has backfired.  Josh himself has talked about this and everyone including McD has talked about getting that fire, intensity, and swagger back for Josh.
4. McD wanted to be an aggressive offense, but Dorsey's attempt to fix the offense was to try and switch up from up tempo to slow it down football through out the games which just wasn't working.  
5. The offense had become predictable and wasn't putting our guys consistently in the best positions for success.

I don't know if Joe Brady is the answer...but I am more than ever convinced he was 100% not the answer and the switch needed to be made.  The last 6 weeks this offense has averaged more than 14 PPG less than it did the first 4 weeks.  Thats an insane drop when there were no injuries involved and the change was inevitable.  Personally, it should have happened sooner, but in season changes are tough decisions so I get the hesitation.  

 

After the Giants game the change probably should have been made. That was a game the Bills should have won in blowout. But they were shutout in the 1st half and managed only 14 points to barely escape with a win.

[PBF81]

47 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well, the Brady/BB experience was a working model as well. Turns out you just need a QB like Brady and a coach like BB in his prime to execute it.

 

I don't even credit Belichick.  I credit Charlie Weiss and ultimately Josh McDaniels who despite his failures as a HC was a solid OC.  

 

Brady had a head for the game that may be second to none in history.  Allen's bright, but he also seems to be a little too disconnected at times.  Who knows whether it was the distractions re: Brittany, Steinfeld, his obsession with golf, etc.  

 

One thing's clear, coaching should be mentoring him in some way.  If at that point he's still disengaged, then that's another story.  

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

After the Giants game the change probably should have been made. That was a game the Bills should have won in blowout. But they were shutout in the 1st half and managed only 14 points to barely escape with a win.

 

I absolutely would have done it after the Giants game, but the nail in the coffin should have bene the Pats game when he for the 2nd week in a row ran Murray from shotgun on 3rd and goal inside the 1 and again lost yards and then we came away with no points on a failed 4th down attempt.  We just QB sneak there we likely score as you got 2 tries at it.  And we lost that game by one score...so that could have been the difference in the game.  I would have relieved him of his play calling duties at half time then fired him the next day.  I mean to do it 2 weeks in a row was mind blowing.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

I mean to me, and maybe it's the confirmation bias talking so take it fwiw, this sounds exactly like getting the narrative out there that the offense is the root cause of all the issues. Because it can't be the defense. Because McDermott's in charge of the defense.

Have you been watching these last few games? He's not wrong.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't even credit Belichick.  I credit Charlie Weiss and ultimately Josh McDaniels who despite his failures as a HC was a solid OC.  

 

Brady had a head for the game that may be second to none in history.  Allen's bright, but he also seems to be a little too disconnected at times.  Who knows whether it was the distractions re: Brittany, Steinfeld, his obsession with golf, etc.  

 

One thing's clear, coaching should be mentoring him in some way.  If at that point he's still disengaged, then that's another story.  

 

 

It’s just too difficult to keep together a great defense and a great QB in the salary cap era. 
 

The benefit of a defensive coach should be being able to do more with less on the defensive side. That’s what BB did. Constantly buying low and selling high on guys for at least an opportunistic defense year after year.

 

Definitely a strategic failure imo

[Straight Hucklebuck]

11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I bet we see more of an Allen-centric run game than we've seen all season against the Jets

Bet you on that one. 

[The Wiz]

11 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

What is the drop everyone talks about?   The ball that was intercepted, or was there another one?

 

Whatever, drops are different from fumbles.   No player executes correctly on 100% of his plays, and you don't bench players for occasional failures to execute.   Fumbles are different.   Fumbles are game-changing plays.   In the NFL, if you're a fumbler, you don't play.  If you drop enough passes you don't play, either, if you drop one here or there, you don't get benched. 

Cook has fumbled 3 times on 254 touches.

 

Davis is a 52% career completion success rate receiver.

 

Help me make sense of your statement and those numbers.

Edited November 17, 2023 by The Wiz

[YoloinOhio]

Just come right out and say it Sean, we need Brittany back. Hailey’s  not pushing the right buttons.

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by YoloinOhio

[RunTheBall]

16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Winning isn't simple

Coach Jauron is that you?! 😜

 

Of course winning is hard. But if they win the next 2 the entire narrative changes and all this psychobabble goes away. 

[thenorthremembers]

This board is absolutely insane sometimes.  When the head coach comes out and says the exact same things we have been saying for the better part of a year in a half, suddenly they are "weird comments" or "McDermott is acting like a guy who is under pressure and its not good for the team."

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

10 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

I don't even credit Belichick.  I credit Charlie Weiss and ultimately Josh McDaniels who despite his failures as a HC was a solid OC.  

Digression, but everything I have heard about his office and general hygiene while HC for Notre Dame evokes Jabba’s Palace.

Edited November 17, 2023 by JohnBonhamRocks

[PBF81]

37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

McB purposely neglected the OL and a better supplemental wr (wr2) for years. And this was done in order for him to focus on his defense.  They literally had every opportunity to build a monster offense around Josh from 2018 on.  Josh simply had to make hero plays because he didn't have the offensive structure to go in any other direction.  McD hires Dorsey (another mistake) and Ken proceeds to ask Josh to do 3 things at once. No one should be surprised by this or Josh's loss of confidence. McDermott better quickly decide whether he wants to be flexible with Brady or his time with this team will come to an end.  And to finalize,  none of this has anything to do with the incessant blunders that Sean commits during games. That's a whole different argument for another day. This is about leadership and letting your offensive people like Daboll do their job.

 

You're preaching to the choir here.  

 

As you've heard me opine many times, McD's treated this team as his own FFL defensive unit.  

 

He may have been a better hire before we got Allen.  But the moment that Allen arrived, he simply wasn't a proper fit.  It's cost us.  

 

The interesting thing is that the direction that this team is going in now was predictable.  I didn't expect for it to be as bad as it now is at this point of the season, but the notion that fan and media opinion would swing away from McD this season had a good reason to be suspected would occur, and it has.  

 

If Pegula wants to salvage anything out of Allen, he'd better make a switch following the season.  

 

On spotrac it shows that Allen's contract has an out after the '25 season, so after two more seasons.  I suspect that that's an out either for him or for both parties.  Either way, while I never dreamed that he'd exercise that, now I have my doubts if things don't change at the top.  

 

And perhaps I'm off on his having the ability to get out, maybe it's just for the team, but there's an "Out" in it.  

 

 

[NewEra]

I don’t see anything weird about what he said.  It’s exactly what I’ve thought.  Confidant it’s exactly how 90%+ of all bills fans feel.

 

Just look at the guy.  It’s just not the same 17.  Hasn’t en’t been since halftime GB.  And even worse this season. He’s had handful of games that flashed 2020-21 but he just doesn’t look right.  Mentally or physically.  
 

mentally, on the sideline- same face- all game every game.  Face of frustration and dejection.  Mentally, making by some poor decisions with the ball.  
 

physically, running the ball.  Elbow injury, Shoulder injury.  Clearly not the same running the ball.  I’m sure a lot has to do with the all voices in his head to slide.  Don’t jump.  Don’t get hurt.  Maybe the shoulder is hurting more than he’s leading on.  He’s not the same threat that he was.  
 

Part of the OCs job IS to get the offense into the right mindset and energy.  Another part is play calling.  Several aspects of the job.  Inconsistent is how I’d label our offense under Dorsey.  Part of that has been due to the players making mistakes.  Part is on Dorsey.  I feel we made the right move,  albeit 9 months too late.

Edited November 17, 2023 by NewEra

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Cook has fumbled 3 times on 254 touches.

 

Davis is a 52% career completion success rate.

 

Help me make sense of your statement and those numbers.

Par for the course for old Sean. 

 

Last year near the end he was talking about still figuring out who Kaiir Elam was and what he's good at. 

 

Whatever McDermott. 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, SWATeam said:

I mean it's not that weird, it's what we've all been seeing with Josh.  He's just not the same guy right now.

 

The thing that strikes me is McD being so forthcoming with how little he usually says about anything.  

Yeah.  Like he sees it too and wants the funk to end. 

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I watched all the press conferences and interviews of McD (including this one), the players, Brady, Frazier, etc all season and especially the last few weeks and through Dorseys firing.  And some things have really stood out for me and these are some of the impressions I cam away with:

1. McD and the team want to see Josh use his legs more and the emphasis on the lack of running seems to be more Dorsey centric.  McD and multiple people have alluded to getting his legs more involved and that threat for the defense to have to account for.  They don't want him to take unnecessary damage, but the threat of him running is a huge part of what makes him special and they know that. 
2. Dorsey led offense just didn't have the same energy and fun which may have to do with the intensity and seriousness of Dorsey.
3. Josh Allen has had the emotion coached out of him in an attempt to tame the turnovers and it has backfired.  Josh himself has talked about this and everyone including McD has talked about getting that fire, intensity, and swagger back for Josh.
4. McD wanted to be an aggressive offense, but Dorsey's attempt to fix the offense was to try and switch up from up tempo to slow it down football through out the games which just wasn't working.  
5. The offense had become predictable and wasn't putting our guys consistently in the best positions for success.

I don't know if Joe Brady is the answer...but I am more than ever convinced he was 100% not the answer and the switch needed to be made.  The last 6 weeks this offense has averaged more than 14 PPG less than it did the first 4 weeks.  Thats an insane drop when there were no injuries involved and the change was inevitable.  Personally, it should have happened sooner, but in season changes are tough decisions so I get the hesitation.  

Excellent. 

 

One other point.  In the past day, I've been talking about whether McDermott should be kept, and one thing I've said is that the future for the Bills will continue to be about finding a way to win with Allen.   When you have a talent like that, you have to find a way to win with it.  Dorsey clearly was failing at that.   The offense was doing exactly what you say, and Allen's unique skill set was being wasted. 

 

One thing about the future is clear to me:  Whoever the head coach is, he has to be connected to Allen at the hip, walking and running side-by-side, in lockstep.  If dumping Dorsey was McDermott's move to reestablish himself in his relationship with Allen, then it was a good move.   In any case, the things that you say McDermott said are clear indications that he understands that the success of the team is dependent on the success of Allen, and that it is his priority to have coaches who make Allen succeed.  

 

And, just because it really bothered me, related to your number 4, other than getting a pre-snap read on the coverage scheme, why in the world did Dorsey have Diggs in motion all night long against Denver?   I think Dorsey thought he was being creative but, really?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

You're preaching to the choir here.  

 

As you've heard me opine many times, McD's treated this team as his own FFL defensive unit.  

 

He may have been a better hire before we got Allen.  But the moment that Allen arrived, he simply wasn't a proper fit.  It's cost us.  

 

The interesting thing is that the direction that this team is going in now was predictable.  I didn't expect for it to be as bad as it now is at this point of the season, but the notion that fan and media opinion would swing away from McD this season had a good reason to be suspected would occur, and it has.  

 

If Pegula wants to salvage anything out of Allen, he'd better make a switch following the season.  

 

On spotrac it shows that Allen's contract has an out after the '25 season, so after two more seasons.  I suspect that that's an out either for him or for both parties.  Either way, while I never dreamed that he'd exercise that, now I have my doubts if things don't change at the top.  

 

And perhaps I'm off on his having the ability to get out, maybe it's just for the team, but there's an "Out" in it.  

 

 

Yup, I've thought the same thing. 

 

In every interview he talks about how there is nothing to do in Buffalo. 

 

So there has to be an urgency in getting players around this guy and building an offense. 

 

We have to make up for lost drafts (Basham, Elam) and contracts (Von Miller) and have a true search for an OC in the offseason. 

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Digression, but everything I have heard about his office and general hygiene while HC for Notre Dame evokes Jabba’s Palace.

 

LOL 

 

That's why I gave more credit to McDaniels.  

 

Notice that Brady's career really surged once McDaniel started being the OC.  But Brady developed under Weiss.  The point being that I don't credit Belichick for that, at all.  

 

Weiss was a disaster as a HC at ND.  

 

 

[eball]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

How are those comments bizzare? They seem spot on.

 

Seriously.  And for all of the “McD wanted Josh to stop running and be a pocket passer” nonsense we’ve heard it sure seems as though McD wants to see that “dawg” back in #17.

 

It’s amazing the opinions people form that they think are truth, when in reality they have no clue…

 

[PBF81]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yup, I've thought the same thing. 

 

In every interview he talks about how there is nothing to do in Buffalo. 

 

So there has to be an urgency in getting players around this guy and building an offense. 

 

We have to make up for lost drafts (Basham, Elam) and contracts (Von Miller) and have a true search for an OC in the offseason. 

 

In fairness to him, if the team's not going to support him, I'd be the first one to encourage him to leave.  

 

That's Pegula's problem then.  

 

If Pegula places loyalty and "culture" crap ahead of performance, oh well, that's on him.  

 

He can't expect the fans to chum up to his new and improved twice-the-prices STs and PSLs though.  Good luck with that.  

 

The fact that in seven seasons McBeane still tinker with the D instead of focusing all but exclusively on the offense really makes a statement there.