Immigration Is Good For America

[Tiberius]

19 hours ago, T master said:

 

Maybe it as you call it "triggers me" because i AM a LAW ABIDING citizen of the USA far from perfect but that's where i start from & I have said in prior posts that the he US has always had LEGAL Immigration and that is what this country was built on to become a True American citizen . 

 

 Liberty AND Justice !!! for all not starting out by breaking the law although that is what the country has become in some respects .

 

I don't care MAGA or not if it has to do with upholding a law in place for the right reasons with some common sense mixed in i'm all for it .

Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? 

 

Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. 

 

Oh, and immigration helps America

[Tommy Callahan]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, and immigration helps America

For the third day

 

 LEGAL immigration helps America and the immigrants/Americans that use those routes.

 

illegal immigration and human trafficking hurts both Americans and the people trafficked.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? 

 

Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. 

 

Oh, and immigration helps America

Immigration does help America but the problem with that argument is people presenting that point are only looking at the benefits while refusing to recognize any of the costs or consequences which offset or can quite possibly be greater than any benefit given the circumstances.  

 

Look a NYC.  Do the "benefits" justify the cost in terms of funding and social disruptions that the city is experiencing as immigration expenses the city is having to handle are resulting in budget cuts in services and programs elsewhere?  This according to the Mayor.  I think those kinds of questions while recognizing resources are finite and priorities must be set are the kind of issues at the heart of the matter.   

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Immigration does help America but the problem with that argument is people presenting that point are only looking at the benefits while refusing to recognize any of the costs or consequences which offset or can quite possibly be greater than any benefit given the circumstances.  

 

Look a NYC.  Do the "benefits" justify the cost in terms of funding and social disruptions that the city is experiencing as immigration expenses the city is having to handle are resulting in budget cuts in services and programs elsewhere?  This according to the Mayor.  I think those kinds of questions while recognizing resources are finite and priorities must be set are the kind of issues at the heart of the matter.   

In the long term the country does benefit, though there are short term costs, to be sure. We should do a better job ameliorating the short term draw backs. 

[Tommy Callahan]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

though there are short term costs, to be sure. We should do a better job ameliorating the short term draw backs. 

Nice way of romanticizing the women, children that are raped and assaulted as they are trafficked.

 

 

[BillStime]

Meanwhile 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

would be interesting to see the unauthorized immigrants chart go to current date.  

 

When did they start using the term Asylum to not be counted as unauthorized?

 

 

[T master]

13 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Again, let's review, the spelling lesson came because you decided you could mock Tibs.  Mocking someone's intelligence while making a middle school level error is ironic/funny.  I'd laugh at myself if I did it.  Also, I'll say if i wanted to really lay into your posts I could do it with every single one you make.  Your posts read like English isnt your first language or you are suffering a stroke as you type.  Read your second sentence back to yourself because I literally have no clue wtf you're trying to say.

 

Substance wise, you being a law abiding citizen is a factor?  Who cares?  There are ridiculous laws in just about every state people break every day that aren't enforced so spare me.  In Indiana it's against the law to ride your horse above 10 MPH.  In California it's illegal to whistle for a lost canary before 7 a.m.  Most break the rules because immigration law is obscenely over-complicated or they're fleeing some type of persecution/poverty.  

 

 

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/15-myths-about-immigration-debunked/

 

The Cato institute is widely considered liberitarian.  I'd like it if they added the stats to back this up but this is all largely true.  This doesn't mean completely open borders is good but you're arguments are not based on reality.

 

 

 

 

So i'm glad you got a laugh because of something i have done . I've made a lot of mistakes in life if someone can get a little laughter from it i have big shoulders so be it . 

 

Your point that sticks out most to me is the second small sentence in the second paragraph . Who Cares ! That i the most pertinent thing in this conversation & a point that seems to be more a part of American society today than anything because if people did give a s**t the US would be better for it .

 

As far as my english goes well you will have to get more & more use to it because all of those coming here illegally are not made to learn even the slightest amount of english although it is the first language of this country or was at 1 point you will have to decipher more than my misspellings as time goes on especially if you travel to different cities because english is becoming a secondary language in the staes now . So i'm just peeping you for more of the same .

 

As cara as the ridiculous laws it just goes to show us all how foolish some law makers can be and should teach us all a bit about them but to this point it doesn't seem that some of the American public has much common sense when it comes to making or following laws because Who Cares !! 

 

But to that what complete & utter jack ass would make a law about whistling for a canary before 7 am & what complete & utter jack asses would think that this should be a law that truly needs to be addressed beside maybe Biden ??

 

As far as border laws this country can in no way continue to let some 2 MILLION cross into the country every year and expect it to not first off displace more actual citizens that may need assistance & divert that money as we have seen to housing, health care, Learning of the english language which doesn't seem to matter, & all other related matters that come with people coming here Illegally .

 

All Illegal immigration does is cause more of a burden on the tax system and other things such as the VA less money for veterans health care and such . The bottom line is the amount of money available .

 

Maybe the US gov't like the NFL should have a cap put in place every year and not be allowed to go over that but that's why they got rid of the gold standard so sorry i Misremembered & oh yah that's right they don't give a s**t because they just continue to print more money .

 

Well i hope there is something here to make you laugh even more have a good day ...

[T master]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Meanwhile 

 

 

 

But in 2022 the number went from 10.2 to what ever another 2 million plus would have sent the numbers too so when you add that into the Trump equation that makes what he did a bit better over all than this administration .

 

So if Trump failed this guy is a poster child for incompetence when it comes to immigration . Numbers say it all i guess . Seeing as there were more crossings in 22 than in recent history that says something in the failure column .

 

So Biden is as big a POS as Trump ...

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

 

But in 2022 the number went from 10.2 to what ever another 2 million plus would have sent the numbers too so when you add that into the Trump equation that makes what he did a bit better over all than this administration .

 

So if Trump failed this guy is a poster child for incompetence when it comes to immigration . Numbers say it all i guess . Seeing as there were more crossings in 22 than in recent history that says something in the failure column .

 

So Biden is as big a POS as Trump ...

So the wall didn’t work?

 

lmao

[T master]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Sure, you have a cushy life posting on the internet. You wouldn't "break the law" to flee a socialist dictatorship like Venezuela? 

 

Maybe you are not strong enough to walk all the way up through central America like they are, but they are seeking freedom in the best country in world. 

 

Oh, and immigration helps America

 

Yep it sure does if done the right way !  I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 .

 

I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down .

 

It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years .

 

WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? 

 

So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ?

 

I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off .

 

I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . 

 

I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such .

 

Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Yep it sure does if done the right way !  I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 .

 

I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down .

 

It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years .

 

WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? 

 

So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ?

 

I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off .

 

I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . 

 

I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such .

 

Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying 

So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? 

[Pokebball]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? 

Is it even illegal to leave?

[T master]

55 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So the wall didn’t work?

 

lmao

 

It & the laws in place that helped slow illegal immigration were working to keep it relatively the same with not a huge increase until your boy took it all away through executive order only to have the highest amount of illegal immigration in history after he took office .

 

So that's something to hang your hat on isn't it ? The numbers don't lie but you don't care about that either, facts have no pertinence to you when it comes to something like the immigration thing .

 

The fact that the "Sanctuary Cities" that were all for allowing these folks to come into the country now are back tracking due to the fact that they are finding out EXACTLY how big of a financial burden it is to bring them here has little or no relevance but is a larger picture of truth to how it effects the entire story of immigration .

 

But WTH that's okay we can just continue to print as much money as we need to continually over spend every year only to BS the people on how the deficit isn't that bad & we can get it under control the BIGGEST BS line ever in American politics !!

 

But that's all good because you believe & aren't willing to make the hard decisions (just like this administration) and others of how to get the spending under control which all of this just adds to it ...

 

You and others just can't see the forest for the trees !! 

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you would or wouldn't "illegally" leave a socialist dictatorship to come here? 

 

I'll play your dum A** game with you to not answer a question with a relevant answer only to ask another stupid question !

 

How can you illegally leave a country ? TOUCH'E

Edited November 21, 2023 by T master

[Tiberius]

20 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Yep it sure does if done the right way !  I know it did me when i was in the construction industry in FL. before the housing crash in 08 .

 

I was the top skilled trades person at the company i worked for for some 12 + years & as time went on my boss (the owner of the company) started hiring more illegal immigrants which had their families living & working together which made the amount of job availability go down .

 

It took me more time to put out a finished product that didn't need anyone to go back to redo work on when finished and the new people he hired could put out the same job i did (which the quality was TOTAL CRAP in comparison) but they could put out 4 jobs of BS work to my 2 to which there was no comparison of quality yet my boss didn't care until i gave my 2 weeks notice . He was feeding them & didn't give a S**T about the guy that had made him money with a higher quality for 12 years .

 

WOW does that sound like a modern day American labor story of what has exactly happened to the American job market in the US or what ? 

 

So how many more Americans like me had to find other jobs because greed & lack of quality workmanship to make more money as the driving force behind American business ?

 

I don't have any problem with people immigrating here for a better life LEGALLY that's what we all want ! But when it's stuck in my A** to bring those people here and then allowing them to take my job not based on the fact that they can do a better/higher quality job than me but because they can do more work with less quality for less money that pisses me off .

 

I at one point almost lost everything i had busted my ass for because of "Undocumented" or ILLEGAL immigration taking work away from me & i'll bet you on the other hand haven't been in that situation . That with the fact that you are probably to lazy to do things for yourself & need immigrants to do the things you don't want to is why your opinion is the way it is i'm guessing . 

 

I'll guess you are probably a office worker that sits behind a computer most days and go home or stay home & tell everyone how exhausted you are at the end of the day from sitting on your ass behind a desk . Not that those jobs can't be hard just in a different way to where you have or feel the need to have someone else mow your lawn & such .

 

Oh and any time you want to work beside me even at my advanced age bring it !! I'll line up some work for you & i that will show you what kind of a man you ain't !! Just saying 

So you were outworked by people who did a better job? 

10 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Is it even illegal to leave?

Just on Wednesdays 

[T master]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you were outworked by people who did a better job? 

 

Not even close ! But it shows exactly where you fit in when it comes to quality craftsmanship which you by your answer know absolutely nothing about amongst other things  ! Just saying .

 

Just stay behind your desk and Joe will send someone to help soon .

 

[Doc]

Illegal immigration isn't good.  Why this needs to be said out loud is amazing.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Not even close ! But it shows exactly where you fit in when it comes to quality craftsmanship which you by your answer know absolutely nothing about amongst other things  ! Just saying .

 

Just stay behind your desk and Joe will send someone to help soon .

 

You right wingers make up so many lies about politics why should anyone take you seriously about your personal lives? 

 

 

[T master]

12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You right wingers make up so many lies about politics why should anyone take you seriously about your personal lives? 

 

 

 

What have i lied about ?

 

Politics in and of it self is nothing but lies prove me wrong big guy ...

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

What have i lied about ?

 

How would I know. I'm just saying I have no reason to believe you. Not sure why some of you need to bring in supposed personal details. Sounds disingenuous, especially when there is self-praising involved