Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 4:41 PM, Doc said: Or more likely it will push out the "even legal immigration is bad" morons. Expand I wouldn't bet on it. The electorate that voted trump in is decidedly less educated than those who voted for Harris. They can't compete globally and they know it. And they hate "elites". The blowback has already begun. I read a ridiculous editorial on Fox attacking Ramaswamy for even considering that our culture isn't superior. Xenophobia is still a MAGA foundation. On 12/28/2024 at 4:46 PM, Pokebball said: open, honest & transparent debate will make us weaker? Expand All for it. Would have been ideal if they had it before the election. What will make us weaker is stopping or severely limiting H1B visas which I think is likely. MAGA is based on populism and this is what the populists want.
Pokebball Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 4:49 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: All for it. Would have been ideal if they had it before the election. What will make us weaker is stopping or severely limiting H1B visas which I think is likely. MAGA is based on populism and this is what the populists want. Expand The populists won't be deciding. Hear everyone out and then our leadership decides. With the 10 million plus illegals to deal with, I suspect we'll see the faucet turned down for awhile, while continuing to allow for the better educated/trained workforce that we need. Common sense IMO
TH3 Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:03 PM, Pokebball said: The populists won't be deciding. Hear everyone out and then our leadership decides. With the 10 million plus illegals to deal with, I suspect we'll see the faucet turned down for awhile, while continuing to allow for the better educated/trained workforce that we need. Common sense IMO Expand All those “illegals” are mowing your lawn, hanging drywall, roofing, painting, siding, framing, meat packing, landscaping, watching preschoolers, picking fruits and vegetables, paving, cleaning, laying brick….we don’t need those ? tell me what maga leadership and policy is common sense? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:03 PM, Pokebball said: The populists won't be deciding. Hear everyone out and then our leadership decides. With the 10 million plus illegals to deal with, I suspect we'll see the faucet turned down for awhile, while continuing to allow for the better educated/trained workforce that we need. Common sense IMO Expand you mean he won't stick to his populist talking points? shocked! It is common sense except to a majority of MAGAs and right wing influencers as illustrated here. But he can't run again so he may just do what is correct. I'm not confident.
sherpa Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:17 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: you mean he won't stick to his populist talking points? shocked! It is common sense except to a majority of MAGAs and right wing influencers as illustrated here. But he can't run again so he may just do what is correct. I'm not confident. Expand I get what you're saying, and am concerned. But.....The team he is putting together is a group who have dealt with non political reality, ie., accomplished individuals who have merit based success. That is encouraging, and certainly a drastic change from the never had a real job career politicians the Dems puke into these rolls. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:23 PM, sherpa said: I get what you're saying, and am concerned. But.....The team he is putting together is a group who have dealt with non political reality, ie., accomplished individuals who have merit based success. That is encouraging, and certainly a drastic change from the never had a real job career politicians the Dems puke into these rolls. Expand "Elites" in other words. Except many aren't. And many buy into bucking any authority or convention. Kari Lake and Matt Gaetz were floated just to cause chaos. Gaetz has already weighed in against H1B, not that it will make a difference. Stephen Miller has as well and he might make a difference. By necessity, some of his cabinet will be made up of populist ideologues. I think abandoning his populist theme too far will cause loss of support for R's.
JDHillFan Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:44 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: "Elites" in other words. Except many aren't. And many buy into bucking any authority or convention. Kari Lake and Matt Gaetz were floated just to cause chaos. Gaetz has already weighed in against H1B, not that it will make a difference. Stephen Miller has as well and he might make a difference. By necessity, some of his cabinet will be made up of populist ideologues. I think abandoning his populist theme too far will cause loss of support for R's. Expand A question regarding “elites”, one of which you believe yourself to be - why on earth would an “elite” feel the need to lie about going to college with Susan Collins? That’s quite weird. If you are a representative member of the elite class, why would someone pay attention to anyone so foolish? 1
sherpa Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:44 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: "Elites" in other words. Expand I'd prefer accomplished individuals who have actually achieved in our economy over the useless identity clowns that Biden has appointed. Thank goodness some of them never made it through hearings. Some, like his Trans Secretary actually served. Total moron. 1 1
Pokebball Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 5:16 PM, TH3 said: All those “illegals” are mowing your lawn, hanging drywall, roofing, painting, siding, framing, meat packing, landscaping, watching preschoolers, picking fruits and vegetables, paving, cleaning, laying brick….we don’t need those ? tell me what maga leadership and policy is common sense? Expand what? Why'd you go off on a tangent
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) On 12/28/2024 at 6:10 PM, sherpa said: I'd prefer accomplished individuals who have actually achieved in our economy over the useless identity clowns that Biden has appointed. Thank goodness some of them never made it through hearings. Some, like his Trans Secretary actually served. Total moron. Expand This person is a real clown. Harvard, Tulane, Mt Sinai in Manhattan. Not qualified at all... Your opinion has nothing to do with her being transgender: Rachel Leland Levine (/ləˈviːn/ lə-VEEN; born 28 October 1957)[1] is an American pediatrician who has served as the United States Assistant Secretary for Health since 26 March 2021.[2] She is also an admiral in the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. Levine is a professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine, and previously served as the Pennsylvania physician general from 2015 to 2017 and as secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Health from 2017 to 2021.[3] Levine is one of only a few openly transgender government officials in the United States,[4] and is the first to hold an office that requires Senate confirmation.[5][6] On 19 October 2021, Levine became the first openly transgender four-star officer in the nation's eight uniformed services.[7] So for H1B, someone with these qualifications should be welcomed except if they're trans? Edited December 28, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
sherpa Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) Here's one of his "guys." And I would add the appointment of the Chief of Naval Operations being pushed by him because she was female, over the suggestion by the Navy that he appoint a far more qualified Pacific Fleet Admiral. Edited December 28, 2024 by sherpa
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 6:49 PM, sherpa said: Here's one of his "guys." And I would add the appointment of the Chief of Naval Operations being pushed by him because she was female, over the suggestion by the Navy that he appoint a far more qualified Pacific Fleet Admiral. Expand He withdrew and was treated with the same contempt that trump's unqualified nominees will be by the Dems. Keep in mind that Washington was CEO of Denver Airport. So in what way is Levine unqualified to be Asst sec for Health?
sherpa Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 6:57 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: He withdrew and was treated with the same contempt that trump's unqualified nominees will be by the Dems. Keep in mind that Washington was CEO of Denver Airport. Expand Are you freakin serious? He was head of the concessions at that airport. Nothing to do with actual operations. Absolutely no qualifications regarding aviation, the FAA or anything related. Exposed at hearings. Jesus, you guys are really ignorant. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 7:05 PM, sherpa said: Are you freakin serious? He was head of the concessions at that airport. Nothing to do with actual operations. Absolutely no qualifications regarding aviation, the FAA or anything related. Exposed at hearings. Jesus, you guys are really ignorant. Expand link? Here's mine: https://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/news/Denver-RTD-selects-Washington-as-next-GMCEO--22199 and what qualifications does Rachael Levine lack?
sherpa Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 7:13 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: link? Expand Not sure what you are asking for here. I provided a link above, which shows his demonstrated absolute ignorance on anything related to the job as FAA Administrator. 1
JDHillFan Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 7:13 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: link? Here's mine: https://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/news/Denver-RTD-selects-Washington-as-next-GMCEO--22199 and what qualifications does Rachael Levine lack? Expand You - he was head of Denver airport Also you - here’s a link. Anyone that reads what you linked to - that article does not mention Denver International or any other airport. Your fellow “elites” must be embarrassed by your incompetence. 1
Wacka Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) On 12/28/2024 at 5:16 PM, TH3 said: All those “illegals” are mowing your lawn, hanging drywall, roofing, painting, siding, framing, meat packing, landscaping, watching preschoolers, picking fruits and vegetables, paving, cleaning, laying brick….we don’t need those ? tell me what maga leadership and policy is common sense? Expand My brother or I mowed the lawn for years. My dad hung drywall in our house as we totally renovated it over 10 years. My brother replaced my mother's roof at least twice. Landscaping- see lawn mowing. Framig- my dad and cousin built our two car garage. Mom was home watching me, my sister, and then my brother. Not an illegal in sight. Edited December 28, 2024 by Wacka 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 7:46 PM, Wacka said: My brother or I mowed the lawn for years. Ny dad hung drywall in our house as we totally renovated it over 10 years. My brother replaced my mother's roof at least twice.Landscaping- see lawn mowing.Framig- my dad ad cousin built our two car garage. Mom was home watching e, my sister and then my brother. Not am illegal in sight. Expand Great. Did they build any condos or apartments in an area screaming for housing? Cuz on the way to the mini mart that sells "ne Ethanol" gasoline for mowers, I keep seeing these condos go up in a few short months and I've yet to see a white face doing the work.
Doc Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 On 12/28/2024 at 4:49 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: I wouldn't bet on it. The electorate that voted trump in is decidedly less educated than those who voted for Harris. They can't compete globally and they know it. And they hate "elites". The blowback has already begun. I read a ridiculous editorial on Fox attacking Ramaswamy for even considering that our culture isn't superior. Xenophobia is still a MAGA foundation. All for it. Would have been ideal if they had it before the election. What will make us weaker is stopping or severely limiting H1B visas which I think is likely. MAGA is based on populism and this is what the populists want. Expand That's what I'm saying. If they don't even like legal immigration, they'll leave the party. And Trump is as elite as it gets.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) On 12/28/2024 at 9:12 PM, Doc said: That's what I'm saying. If they don't even like legal immigration, they'll leave the party. And Trump is as elite as it gets. Expand So three parties: MAGA, R and D? I'm good with that. If you r correct, Stephen Miller should be shown the door early. I don't see that happening. Edited December 28, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
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