Is McD really a dictator?

[RoyBatty is alive]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Um, yes?

 

Sometimes the best thing a leader can do is get out of the way and let the people you are "supposed" to trust to run the show.

 

If he doesn't trust Dorsey, then he made the wrong hire and that is still on mcdermott.

 

Do you think Andy reid tells spags how he wants the defence to be played?

 

I would almost guarantee that answer is a no

Well we disagree.  Again quoting you, "fingerprint on the offense to some degree".   Totally unrealistic.   So if Dorsey wants to go for it on 4th and long in Q1, according to your logic, McD is not supposed to stop it.

[cgg716]

4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don’t know. Some people for sure.

 

For me going into the year I was slightly more positive than negative on MCD. I think a lot of people were as well.

But we wanted the next step.

And the team regressed in every aspect.

 

whether that’s 100 percent on MCD or not, he’s the leader in charge so at the end of the day it’s his responsibility to right the ship. 10 games in, we look closer to the 2018 bills than the 2020-2021 bills

 

I have seen enough personally.

 

He still can’t manage a game, team is still undisciplined, and they still don’t look ready for a lot of games.

 

 

 

 

This. And the thing I don't think gets talked about enough, is his defense, it's never actually been good. As a defensive hc, he's somehow gotten away with it never being good. Maybe if it was, his style of offense wouldn't be so obsolete 

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

The whole "McDermott is forcing the run" narrative and “is handcuffing the offense” is completely pulled out of thin air.  We have no idea what happened with him and past OC’s.  It's like people know McD is a defensive guy so we all automatically assume he has a 1970s view of the offense as a controlling hard nose dictator.
 

Nothing has ever supported that. 

 

If I am missing actual facts that support this bogus narrative, please share them. 

These days this board is like 95% made up false narrative and hysteria…3.5% assumption or speculation…1.5% factual substance.

[FilthyBeast]

If you look at the anecdotal evidence from former player statements, musical chairs with coordinators, not taking accountability, etc then the obvious answer is yes. To be honest he's trying to be Bill Belichik but without the 9 SB appearances and 6 rings to back it up.

 

This is why it was a major mistake by the Pegulas from the get go giving this clown so much power and hand picking his own GM. Also on that note, I feel I must remind Bills fans yet again...never forget that it was McDummy's decision to make the trade with the Chiefs and his former boss (who fired him) to land Patrick Mahomes when he was there for the Bills in 2017. Another reason I'm more than eager to show him the door after the season if I'm Terry Pegula.

[BillsFan130]

32 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well we disagree.  Again quoting you, "fingerprint on the offense to some degree".   Totally unrealistic.   So if Dorsey wants to go for it on 4th and long in Q1, according to your logic, McD is not supposed to stop it.

No that’s not what I’m saying at all. That’s a game management decision which is different.

 

I am talking about running the ball, more ball control, more conservative, Josh running less etc 

If you read between the lines, MCD has basically wanted all of those things over the years.

 

Couple that with him saying he has some control on the offence, I think it’s pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together.

 

(again how much control, we don’t know)

[pocoboy]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

McDermott is either 1) involved in changing the offense to a less effective offense or 2) he is not involved.  This is a tautology.  it is one or the other.  
 

If he is involved, changing to Joe Brady or anyone else may not resolve the problem. 
 

If he is not involved, it is failure on his his part to not be aware of situation prior to the season starting.  He is not in his rookie season 

 

Either way the fragile hopes of the season now rest entirely either on Joe Brady or the Sean McDermott/ Joe Brady brain trust.   It seems it would be very simple for McDermott to tell us which it is.  Based on past track record, if the offense succeeds , at the end of the season he will take credit. If the offense fails from here on out, he will blame Brady. 

 

My going theory is that the Green Bay 2nd Half fully soured McDermott on Dorsey. That is a clear line of demarcation in the way the Bills played. The next game vs the Jets was a garbage show that ended up leading to Allen's elbow injury. Nearly every game since that point has looked exactly the same. And that "souring" may have been inevitable given how Allen all but foisted that idea on McDermott, usurping the true choice from him.

 

The hope would be Brady gets a fresh stab at playbook implementation. It won't be easy on a short week, against a tough NYJ Defense. But you do have going for you that NYJ comes in blind; it's possible the same tendencies manifest with Brady's direction, but they can't be sure of that until a series or three.

 

[cgg716]

2 hours ago, pocoboy said:

 

My going theory is that the Green Bay 2nd Half fully soured McDermott on Dorsey. That is a clear line of demarcation in the way the Bills played. The next game vs the Jets was a garbage show that ended up leading to Allen's elbow injury. Nearly every game since that point has looked exactly the same. And that "souring" may have been inevitable given how Allen all but foisted that idea on McDermott, usurping the true choice from him.

 

The hope would be Brady gets a fresh stab at playbook implementation. It won't be easy on a short week, against a tough NYJ Defense. But you do have going for you that NYJ comes in blind; it's possible the same tendencies manifest with Brady's direction, but they can't be sure of that until a series or three.

 

This is pretty accurate I feel like. Ironically the defense was horrendous that half too, as it usually is. But Mcd doubled down instead of souring 

[Chaos]

9 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

The whole "McDermott is forcing the run" narrative and “is handcuffing the offense” is completely pulled out of thin air.  We have no idea what happened with him and past OC’s.  It's like people know McD is a defensive guy so we all automatically assume he has a 1970s view of the offense as a controlling hard nose dictator.
 

Nothing has ever supported that. 

 

If I am missing actual facts that support this bogus narrative, please share them. 

to be fair I am pretty certain he is not a tator. 

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

These days this board is like 95% made up false narrative and hysteria…3.5% assumption or speculation…1.5% factual substance.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^You mean there are lots of inaccurate, exagerated posts?  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I couldn't resist.  

[Don Otreply]

Ya see,  you have to combine Dick Nixon and a potato to get a dicktater…, 

[JerseyBills]

He is

We're the North Korea of the NFL 🙄

[RiotAct]

9 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Some people have had a bone to pick with McDermott dating back to 2017 when they didn’t like the choice. 

You know who they are because every time anything bad happened these last 6 years they pointed it at McD and gave all positive credit to someone else like Daboll. 
 

Now that things went south the pitchforks are out and they point at him at default with ridiculous things like “low IQ” and “dictator”. 
 

Just like many people have a weird hate towards Allen since the draft, some people have a weird hate towards McD. But now it’s just the cool thing to do, but it doesn’t really make sense. 

lulz.

[Mikie2times]

I never looked at McD as a dictator. More a control freak. While these types are typically very organized and efficient, they also tend to limit creativity of others and limit freedom of decisions. Which really anybody worth a salt wants as far as how they choose opportunities. Further, when threatened the usual response is to clamp down even further. Most of you have worked for a person like this. They typically run a very tight ship but don’t exactly promote growth in others and certainly don’t inspire others over the long term. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Mikie2times

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

The only proven winner who will probably be available is Bill. He is a proven winner with an elite level QB. If Pegula did hire Bill, then his OC pick to work with Josh would be the important hire since Bill comes from the defensive side of the ball. Otherwise as mentioned by others on this board Lions OC Ben Johnson or Eagles OC Brian Johnson would probably be the type of coach the Bills would look to hire. 

 

 

Johnson and Johnson, 2 top candidates to fix what ails this current team.  Aren't Bandaids a Johnson and Johnson product?  Seems to be a sign.....

[ToGoGo]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

These days this board is like 95% made up false narrative and hysteria…3.5% assumption or speculation…1.5% factual substance.

 

Total pitchforks emotional hysteria. 

 

On Wall Street the sharps are BUYING right now, while all the schlubs are selling. 

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

There is some truth in this in that McDermott was hired to rebuild a franchise and a culture that was in the pits. The talent on the team when he arrived was below average but wasn't awful. However, the toxicity in the building in January 2017 was worse than at any point during the drought. The Rex era had been an unmitigated disaster in all possible ways. 

 

I know that you're a McD apologist, or at least lean heavily in his favor if you disagree with that, so take these comments in that context.  

 

The Ryan era was an unmitigated disaster, but there was some warning when Ryan said that his next coaching job would be his last.  That's not a trait of someone that cares whether or not he does a good job.  Not saying he didn't care, just saying that it wasn't a good sign.  

 

Having said, that, Ryan didn't have great talent either.  We can do a position-by-position analysis if you want.  Might be fun in these dry times.  

 

 

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

McDermott was very successful in his rebuild. He has done a very good job as Head Coach. From turning around the culture, to establishing cohesion between coaching and the front office, to winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs. 

 

Here's the thing about "culture," it's somewhat of a nebulous thing.  The term gets thrown around, but how is it specifically defined.  But that appears to be his greatest achievement here as it's always the very first thing out the the mouths of McD apologists. 

 

Allow me to ask however, what's the "culture" right now, today, at this moment?  

 

I don't think that it can be defined as a "winning culture" as his apologists like to assign it.  

 

As to "winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs," he was barely above .500 in his first three seasons.  25-23 

 

That Peterman thing hangs over him and have been rehashed now in the questioning of his leadership abilities.  As minor as it may be, it's become a black stain.  

 

We made the playoffs twice, but in 2017, two other teams had an identical 9-7 record that did not make it, and were both better teams.  We beat only two winning teams that season, both 10-6.  Otherwise we beat 7 bottom-dwelling teams.  We were embarrassed in the playoffs by a former Bills coach featuring a below-average QB.  We also needed help (aka luck) from something that we had absolutely no control over.  

 

In 2019 we made the playoffs, but lost a Wild-Card game, again, with McD once again being outcoached.  

 

So any "playoff run" boils down to 2020 - 2022 where we've only been able to win a Divisional game once, in that ill-fated '21 season where McD did anything but play up to "winning culture" in that 13-Seconds game. 

 

Keep in mind that we got lots of help in doing what you suggest, by Brady leaving New England, essentially leaving us to supplant New England as the only decent team in the division.  To wit, McD was 0-6 vs. NE with Brady until Allen's breakout season, and when Brady was no longer with the Pats.  So the skids were already greased for him there.  Our lackluster playoff outcomes are more indicative.  

 

So I'm not sure how you define playoff runs, but we've won only one divisional playoff game in his 6 seasons with his 7th likely not even making the playoffs.  

 

Again, where's that leave that "winning culture" thing?  

 

 

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

But if the Bills move on after this season the specification for the next coach will not be a culture builder who has the leadership and force of personality to turn around a failing franchise. That work is done. The Bills would either need a proven winner or someone who can maximise their offensive firepower (in a world where they can also get something resembling the real Josh Allen back, and if they can't do that then the whole thing is moot anyway). You wouldn't hire a Sean McDermott type now if there was a vacancy. 

 

I'd suggest that the culture isn't positive right now.  Do you think it is?   

 

If Pegula even pulls the trigger, and I have my doubts that he will, where would that leave us from a "culture perspective?"   I'm not suggesting anything, seriously asking, but the word tentative comes to mind.  We likely won't know until things happen.  Pegula risks looking like the biggest incompetent in the mix if he does ditch McD given that he just signed him to four more seasons that haven't even begun yet, rather than waiting, which would have been very wise, to see whether what has happened might happen.  

 

If you recall however, following the 2019 season there were plenty of questionmarks and criticism of McD and his "Process," which to date still hasn't even remotely been defined.   It's nothing more than a meaningless buzzword.  

 

It wasn't until 2020, when Allen broke out, not McD, Allen, that our "winning culture" became prominent, and again, that also coincided with the Brady-less Pats.  The three other QBs in our division that season were the rookie Tagovailoa, Darnold, and Newton.  ... for about half of our wins.  

 

Now, look where we are.  Can it be overemphasized where our culture is at the moment?  There's a major pall over Bills fandom and the coverage of the team, and clearly somethings' going on in the lockerroom as well, not positively.  

 

The point, the point is that if he, not Allen, actually created it, he's also equally responsible for destroying it now, which raises that chicken/egg aka McD/Allen question.  

 

Anyway, food for thought.  

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by PBF81

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I know that you're a McD apologist, or at least lean heavily in his favor if you disagree with that, so take these comments in that context.  

 

The Ryan era was an unmitigated disaster, but there was some warning when Ryan said that his next coaching job would be his last.  That's not a trait of someone that cares whether or not he does a good job.  Not saying he didn't care, just saying that it wasn't a good sign.  

 

Having said, that, Ryan didn't have great talent either.  We can do a position-by-position analysis if you want.  Might be fun in these dry times.  

 

 

 

Here's the thing about "culture," it's somewhat of a nebulous thing.  The term gets thrown around, but how is it specifically defined.  But that appears to be his greatest achievement here as it's always the very first thing out the the mouths of McD apologists. 

 

Allow me to ask however, what's the "culture" right now, today, at this moment?  

 

I don't think that it can be defined as a "winning culture" as his apologists like to assign it.  

 

As to "winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs," he was barely above .500 in his first three seasons.  25-23 

 

That Peterman thing hangs over him and have been rehashed now in the questioning of his leadership abilities.  As minor as it may be, it's become a black stain.  

 

We made the playoffs twice, but in 2017, two other teams had an identical 9-7 record that did not make it, and were both better teams.  We beat only two winning teams that season, both 10-6.  Otherwise we beat 7 bottom-dwelling teams.  We were embarrassed in the playoffs by a former Bills coach featuring a below-average QB.  We also needed help (aka luck) from something that we had absolutely no control over.  

 

In 2019 we made the playoffs, but lost a Wild-Card game, again, with McD once again being outcoached.  

 

So any "playoff run" boils down to 2020 - 2022 where we've only been able to win a Divisional game once, in that ill-fated '21 season where McD did anything but play up to "winning culture" in that 13-Seconds game. 

 

Keep in mind that we got lots of help in doing what you suggest, by Brady leaving New England, essentially leaving us to supplant New England as the only decent team in the division.  To wit, McD was 0-6 vs. NE with Brady until Allen's breakout season, and when Brady was no longer with the Pats.  So the skids were already greased for him there.  Our lackluster playoff outcomes are more indicative.  

 

So I'm not sure how you define playoff runs, but we've won only one divisional playoff game in his 6 seasons with his 7th likely not even making the playoffs.  

 

Again, where's that leave that "winning culture" thing?  

 

 

 

I'd suggest that the culture isn't positive right now.  Do you think it is?   

 

If Pegula even pulls the trigger, and I have my doubts that he will, where would that leave us from a "culture perspective?"   I'm not suggesting anything, seriously asking, but the word tentative comes to mind.  We likely won't know until things happen.  Pegula risks looking like the biggest incompetent in the mix if he does ditch McD given that he just signed him to four more seasons that haven't even begun yet, rather than waiting, which would have been very wise, to see whether what has happened might happen.  

 

If you recall however, following the 2019 season there were plenty of questionmarks and criticism of McD and his "Process," which to date still hasn't even remotely been defined.   It's nothing more than a meaningless buzzword.  

 

It wasn't until 2020, when Allen broke out, not McD, Allen, that our "winning culture" became prominent, and again, that also coincided with the Brady-less Pats.  The three other QBs in our division that season were the rookie Tagovailoa, Darnold, and Newton.  ... for about half of our wins.  

 

Now, look where we are.  Can it be overemphasized where our culture is at the moment?  There's a major pall over Bills fandom and the coverage of the team, and clearly somethings' going on in the lockerroom as well, not positively.  

 

The point, the point is that if he, not Allen, actually created it, he's also equally responsible for destroying it now, which raises that chicken/egg aka McD/Allen question.  

 

Anyway, food for thought.  

 

 

 

We get it you hate McDermott and everything he has ever done.

[PBF81]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We get it you hate McDermott and everything he has ever done.

 

LOL  

 

Or, maybe you need to come up with better arguments.  

 

 

 

How much mileage you gonna get try and get out of "winning culture"?  

 

Either way, you appear to be fighting an uphill battle now.  

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by PBF81

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I never looked at McD as a dictator. More a control freak. While these types are typically very organized and efficient, they also tend to limit creativity of others and limit freedom of decisions. Which really anybody worth a salt wants as far as how they choose opportunities. Further, when threatened the usual response is to clamp down even further. Most of you have worked for a person like this. They typically run a very tight ship but don’t exactly promote growth in others and certainly don’t inspire others over the long term. 

I agree w this

 

I also think there's no shame in admitting that taking an organization from mediocrity to respectability and taking a respectable organization to the top of its field are two different skillsets 

[PBF81]

How much mileage you gonna get try and get out of "winning culture"?  

 

Either way, you appear to be fighting an uphill battle now.  

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by PBF81