Is McD really a dictator?

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

The whole "McDermott is forcing the run" narrative and “is handcuffing the offense” is completely pulled out of thin air.  We have no idea what happened with him and past OC’s.  It's like people know McD is a defensive guy so we all automatically assume he has a 1970s view of the offense as a controlling hard nose dictator.
 

Nothing has ever supported that. 

 

If I am missing actual facts that support this bogus narrative, please share them. 

I'm not so sure I would call him a dictator. He is more of an inadequate flim flam man imo. One who needs to get out of Buffalo and take his b.s. "process" with him.

 

Btw, GREAT screen name! Roscoe was a good example of what was wrong with the Bills. The year he was taken in the second round, he was our first draft selection, having traded away the #1 for the great JP Losman. Roscoe had a few good returns but was a pretty poor receiver. He was listed at 5'9"/175 but he appeard to be even smaller.  

Do you remember the news story when he opened his door one day, saw snow, and ran back in the apartment? Tough times in Buffalo!

 

 

[blitzboy54]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

As insane as it sounds,  if the Bills don't advance to the Super Bowl this year, I think the Bills should either change the Head Coach or trade Allen to a team that can better use him.  He would generate quite a haul.  Except for McCafferty's age, the ideal trade for a retained Coach McDermott would be for Brock Purdy, Christian Mcafferty, one of the niners Linebackers and a couple of the extra second and third round draft picks the niners have stock piled. I think Shanahan would love the chance to coach a QB like Allen. 
 

You had me to this point. Yes that sounds insane, like WTF could possibly bring a fan of an NFL team to say something this insane. It took us 20 years to find a QB and you want to trade him?

 

I don't care if we change coaches every year till the end of time but you DO NOT TRADE A FRANCHISE QB in his prime.... ever.

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

You had me to this point. Yes that sounds insane, like WTF could possibly bring a fan of an NFL team to say something this insane. It took us 20 years to find a QB and you want to trade him?

 

I don't care if we change coaches every year till the end of time but you DO NOT TRADE A FRANCHISE QB in his prime.... ever.

So do you bring back McDermott in perpetuity? 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

If he’s forcing us to run more, he isn’t doing a very good job. We needed to run a lot more the past 2 weeks.

Problem is if we call a RPO and Allen elects to pass that's on Allen not the OC or HC or whomever as I remember in one game someone mentioned RPO and the team felt those calls always lead to Josh passing. 

11 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

You had me to this point. Yes that sounds insane, like WTF could possibly bring a fan of an NFL team to say something this insane. It took us 20 years to find a QB and you want to trade him?

 

I don't care if we change coaches every year till the end of time but you DO NOT TRADE A FRANCHISE QB in his prime.... ever.

Unless it's Deshaun Watson 

[blitzboy54]

15 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So do you bring back McDermott in perpetuity? 

 

No, I want him gone but if my only choice is keep both or none yes I want Allen no matter what. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

The whole "McDermott is forcing the run" narrative and “is handcuffing the offense” is completely pulled out of thin air.  We have no idea what happened with him and past OC’s.  It's like people know McD is a defensive guy so we all automatically assume he has a 1970s view of the offense as a controlling hard nose dictator.
 

Nothing has ever supported that. 

 

If I am missing actual facts that support this bogus narrative, please share them. 

Every head coach (at least every decent one) is a "dictator". It's their job.

[Freak-O]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I think that McDermott does need to go at this point because 6 years of not winning a Super Bowl is long enough to require change. But you're not wrong about people's spicy takes. One human behavior that is amplified by the Internet is a desire to be proven correct. It's just part of conformation bias which is hardwired into our brains. There are posters here would would rather have a 7-year-old hot take be proven right than to see the win football games. I have the Josh Allen draft thread bookmarked so that when I see an over-the-top post about Josh I can go back and look for their over-the-top draft night post. It never fails. And no, for all the "realists" here Josh Allen is not above criticism. But calling for him to be traded with his 99 million-dollar dead cap hit is beyond criticism.

You do realize that there are 32 teams in the league trying to win the Superbowl? Not winning in six years is not a big deal. Every 32 years would be the average. As long as the team is competitive and go to the playoffs sooner or later we will win. This season has not been very good though.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

It isn’t complicated. McD is the head coach of a team in a death spiral, and he appears to be completely without answers. Whether he’s involved or not involved it’s on HIM to have his team ready to play from the opening kickoff…and they definitely aren’t. 

Exactly....I guarantee you there were more people in that locker room other than Diggs who wanted to blow up. 

[BillsVet]

 

17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Every head coach (at least every decent one) is a "dictator". It's their job.

 

Hello class and thank you for enrolling in Conflation 101.  

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

We know for sure that McDermott had his fingerprints on the offence in some degree.

 

Dorsey and McDermott admitted so in an article about a month back.

 

How much? That we don’t know.

 

I think we can also read between the lines a little as well.

 

MCD all off season preached about how Josh needs to be smart and not take big hits.

 

”Coincidentally “ , this is by far Joshs lowest rushing totals/attempts of his career.

 

 

WTH did you expect?  Do you expect the HC would not have his fingerprint on the offense "to some degree"?   So he "admitted" it did he?

 

If he had said, I dont do ANYTHING on the offensive side of the ball, people would be screaming to have him fired.

24 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Every head coach (at least every decent one) is a "dictator". It's their job.

Exactly, if not then they are not doing their job.

[Bob Jones]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

As insane as it sounds,  if the Bills don't advance to the Super Bowl this year, I think the Bills should either change the Head Coach or trade Allen to a team that can better use him.  He would generate quite a haul.  Except for McCafferty's age, the ideal trade for a retained Coach McDermott would be for Brock Purdy, Christian Mcafferty, one of the niners Linebackers and a couple of the extra second and third round draft picks the niners have stock piled. I think Shanahan would love the chance to coach a QB like Allen. 

The Buffalo Bills trading away Josh Allen any sooner than say, 10 years from now, would be the dumbest trade in the history of professional sports, I don’t care what they get for him. It would be very Billsy though, I'll give you that. 🤪

[TheFunPolice]

McDermott cleaned up the mess here, but the standard is not "be better than a 17 year playoff drought"

 

He's 4-5 in the playoffs with a generational talent at QB. The team went the farthest early on and has failed to get that far every year since. 

 

AFC Title Game

Divisional round

Wildcard

Possibly fail to make the playoffs

 

That's not good enough. 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

You spent some time on that, good post.  

 

At the center of it all is that McD may or may not have been a great hire, doesn't really matter now, it's water under the bridge.  

 

But he was hired before we drafted Allen, and before Allen became good.  

 

Had Allen in his advanced state of play, i.e., not that of his first two seasons, already been here, McD wouldn't have been an optimal hire, to understate the situation.  

 

Doubtful he even would have made the short list of candidates.  

 

Essentially it's a mismatch and that's what we're seeing.  

 

 

 

There is some truth in this in that McDermott was hired to rebuild a franchise and a culture that was in the pits. The talent on the team when he arrived was below average but wasn't awful. However, the toxicity in the building in January 2017 was worse than at any point during the drought. The Rex era had been an unmitigated disaster in all possible ways. 

 

McDermott was very successful in his rebuild. He has done a very good job as Head Coach. From turning around the culture, to establishing cohesion between coaching and the front office, to winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs. 

 

But if the Bills move on after this season the specification for the next coach will not be a culture builder who has the leadership and force of personality to turn around a failing franchise. That work is done. The Bills would either need a proven winner or someone who can maximise their offensive firepower (in a world where they can also get something resembling the real Josh Allen back, and if they can't do that then the whole thing is moot anyway). You wouldn't hire a Sean McDermott type now if there was a vacancy. 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is some truth in this in that McDermott was hired to rebuild a franchise and a culture that was in the pits. The talent on the team when he arrived was below average but wasn't awful. However, the toxicity in the building in January 2017 was worse than at any point during the drought. The Rex era had been an unmitigated disaster in all possible ways. 

 

McDermott was very successful in his rebuild. He has done a very good job as Head Coach. From turning around the culture, to establishing cohesion between coaching and the front office, to winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs. 

 

But if the Bills move on after this season the specification for the next coach will not be a culture builder who has the leadership and force of personality to turn around a failing franchise. That work is done. The Bills would either need a proven winner or someone who can maximise their offensive firepower (in a world where they can also get something resembling the real Josh Allen back, and if they can't do that then the whole thing is moot anyway). You wouldn't hire a Sean McDermott type now if there was a vacancy. 

 

The only proven winner who will probably be available is Bill. He is a proven winner with an elite level QB. If Pegula did hire Bill, then his OC pick to work with Josh would be the important hire since Bill comes from the defensive side of the ball. Otherwise as mentioned by others on this board Lions OC Ben Johnson or Eagles OC Brian Johnson would probably be the type of coach the Bills would look to hire. 

[klumzyfule66]

4 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I think that McDermott does need to go at this point because 6 years of not winning a Super Bowl is long enough to require change. But you're not wrong about people's spicy takes. One human behavior that is amplified by the Internet is a desire to be proven correct. It's just part of conformation bias which is hardwired into our brains. There are posters here would would rather have a 7-year-old hot take be proven right than to see the win football games. I have the Josh Allen draft thread bookmarked so that when I see an over-the-top post about Josh I can go back and look for their over-the-top draft night post. It never fails. And no, for all the "realists" here Josh Allen is not above criticism. But calling for him to be traded with his 99 million-dollar dead cap hit is beyond criticism.

While it makes sense, and I agree with the feeling that it's been long enough, I just went back to look, because I keep thinking "Is it really though?"

 

For those whose opinion of what follows is dependent upon my thoughts on McD:  I've said (probably not here, but amongst my friend groups) after 13 seconds, that we reached peak success under McD.  That he needed to be fired if we wanted a Super Bowl.  Or that heads needed to roll (which of course did not happen).  It was not a popular opinion.  At that point (and now), no longer do I care about just making the playoffs.  Now it's a Super Bowl.  My thought was confirmed the very next year when we went to Arrowhead week 6 the following year.  We got a TD to put us up by 3, and this time left 16 seconds (in the half).  They drive down to get a FG.  Again.  They ended up winning the game, so maybe that issue was a footnote in the history of many people.  The only thing consistent with this team in the past few years, has been the defense's inability to get a stop at the end of the game, when it's needed.

 

Anyway, preamble aside.  I went back to see how long it takes first time head coaches to get their first SB win with their first team.

 

Only one time since John Madden in 1976, has anybody won their first SB with their first team after their 5th year.  Bill Cowher in 2005.  Taking a look at the years before their championship:

John Madden won in his 8th season - he made 5 AFCCG in the 7 years prior.

Bill Cowher 14th season - his first 6 years included 1 SB appearance, along with 2 other AFCCG.

 

Edit to note: Madden was hired at age 32.  Cowher was hired at age 34.  I think that's an interesting and potentially important distinction because (in my opinion), the younger you are, generally the more likely you are to change and adjust and grow and learn.

 

Usually its been years 2-4, but there have been 3 who've won their first in year 5:  Mike Holmgren in 1996, Mike McCarthy in 2011, and John Harbaugh in 2012.

 

That said, he's a good coach.  As mentioned in comments prior, I agree that there's now a mismatch with JA.  He wants the team he wants, vs fielding the team that fits the players best.  He'd be better off fielding a team without a QB like Josh, and instead having the Jamal Adams and Trent Dilfers of the world.

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by klumzyfule66

[DuckyBoys]

is he maximizing what he has to work with?  If you feel the answer is yes than the onus is on Beane to get more talent in  I think we have enough talent but he needs to be shown the door

[BillsFan130]

56 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

WTH did you expect?  Do you expect the HC would not have his fingerprint on the offense "to some degree"?   So he "admitted" it did he?

 

If he had said, I dont do ANYTHING on the offensive side of the ball, people would be screaming to have him fired.

Exactly, if not then they are not doing their job.

Um, yes?

 

Sometimes the best thing a leader can do is get out of the way and let the people you are "supposed" to trust to run the show.

 

If he doesn't trust Dorsey, then he made the wrong hire and that is still on mcdermott.

 

Do you think Andy reid tells spags how he wants the defence to be played?

 

I would almost guarantee that answer is a no

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

The only proven winner who will probably be available is Bill. He is a proven winner with an elite level QB. If Pegula did hire Bill, then his OC pick to work with Josh would be the important hire since Bill comes from the defensive side of the ball. Otherwise as mentioned by others on this board Lions OC Ben Johnson or Eagles OC Brian Johnson would probably be the type of coach the Bills would look to hire. 

 

Ben Johnson is the stand out candidate. Brian Johnson interests me much less. I haven't loved the Eagles O this year.

[GoBills808]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is some truth in this in that McDermott was hired to rebuild a franchise and a culture that was in the pits. The talent on the team when he arrived was below average but wasn't awful. However, the toxicity in the building in January 2017 was worse than at any point during the drought. The Rex era had been an unmitigated disaster in all possible ways. 

 

McDermott was very successful in his rebuild. He has done a very good job as Head Coach. From turning around the culture, to establishing cohesion between coaching and the front office, to winning games, breaking the drought and having a couple of good playoff runs. 

 

But if the Bills move on after this season the specification for the next coach will not be a culture builder who has the leadership and force of personality to turn around a failing franchise. That work is done. The Bills would either need a proven winner or someone who can maximise their offensive firepower (in a world where they can also get something resembling the real Josh Allen back, and if they can't do that then the whole thing is moot anyway). You wouldn't hire a Sean McDermott type now if there was a vacancy. 

He didn't have a couple good playoff runs. He had one.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

The whole "McDermott is forcing the run" narrative and “is handcuffing the offense” is completely pulled out of thin air.  We have no idea what happened with him and past OC’s.  It's like people know McD is a defensive guy so we all automatically assume he has a 1970s view of the offense as a controlling hard nose dictator.
 

Nothing has ever supported that. 

 

If I am missing actual facts that support this bogus narrative, please share them. 

we don’t know the scope but he’s publicly said he likes a balanced offense and didn’t seem particularly thrilled with dabolls final season based on comments the following camp

 

we also know he’s had input into the offense based on recent interviews.

 

how hard he interjects is a wild card that we can only speculate but we know he participates and we know his preference