is there a HC out there worth going after?

[MPL]

Trading for Daboll is:
1. A poor use of draft picks. This team needs draft picks to get younger, cost-controlled talent. 
2. Going backwards. This team needs a new chapter, not re-opening an old one that also wasn't good enough. 

[clayboy54]

Just our luck, Lou Saban passed away.

[Heavy Kevi]

38 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Go ahead and find out what happenes

 

People that are crying for McDermott firing. Deserve exactly what they get whenever the next guy that they bring in fizzles it doesn’t bring them near the production.

 

35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Good, if not better with the replacement
 

You absolutely don’t know that

 

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This is your feelings talking to you. You have absolutely no way of knowing if he lost the locker room and can’t get us where we need to go.
 

 

 

26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Obviously, he is not done. He will be coaching this next week.
 

They just gave him a brand new contract he’s not going anywhere

 

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

He has not lost the locker room
 

His defense is playing some of the best ball. The bills have seen for quite a while, and that is missing some very high profile players.

 

Offensively how do we know that wasn’t the OC?

 

John...

 

I would point out that your thoughts on this are just as much conjecture as anyone else.

 

Someone says he lost the locker room. You say he didn't. NEITHER are objective facts based on what we know. Their opinions are not just simply inferior to yours, and they carry an EQUAL amount of speculation.

 

There is evidence that McD stays (the contract extension) and evidence he could get fired (natural progression often after these types of seasons). But no "proof". 

 

You speak with an authoritative tone as if what you are saying is objective truth (and of course you might be right!), though it's just as likely that the opposing view is true.

 

Anyway...

 

Personally I don't like managent by fear, running a business on fear, or a sports team on fear for that matter.

 

With the trajectory this bills team has taken in recent years, and if it doesn't turn around this year, it's tantamount to fear to not move on from McDermott. I get it, the devil you know...

 

But you can't be scared that the next guy will be worse. If you identify a problem, it's your responsibility to TRY and fix it, even if it doesn't work. There ARE other great coaches and with Josh you can actually attract a good one. This isn't buddy nix trying to convince us everyone wants the job anymore, it's we have a franchise QB and one of the most attractive openings in the NFL if vacated.

 

We can't be paralyzed by fear of losing McD. The only fear is losing Josh. And that seems like it might be starting to happen. So natural progression is change had to happen. And maybe it already did 🤷🏻‍♂️ maybe Dorsey was THE problem and now we're good. 

 

But we have the rest of the season to see. The weight lies squarely on McDermott's shoulders right now. He surely sees the dysfunction and is trying to right the ship. There's still time for him to save it, save himself, save Josh, save the season. But times running out.

 

And that's my $.08 (inflation🤷🏻‍♂️)

[PetermansRedemption]

If they fire McDermott I’d try to get Belichick in here and bring Daboll back as the OC. 

5 minutes ago, MPL said:

Trading for Daboll is:
1. A poor use of draft picks. This team needs draft picks to get younger, cost-controlled talent. 
2. Going backwards. This team needs a new chapter, not re-opening an old one that also wasn't good enough. 

I don’t think Daboll would require a trade once the Giants fire him. 
 

Wouldn’t mind Kingsbury as an OC. Have to bring in someone with experience after the Dorsey debacle. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said:

Jim Harbaugh or Ben Johnson 

 

I would give Harbaugh about the same welcome I’d give Rex if he came back. No thank you. His schtick grows old fast, and there’s always about as much talk about his next stop as his current job. 

 

We all keep hearing Ben Johnson, but it’s a big leap from OC to HC. No slam dunk there. 

 

Whatever they do, I won’t be fretting over it too much. These are things that are beyond our control so it’s not worth getting too emotionally involved or upset about it. 

[FilthyBeast]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah.......he ain't leaving Hollywood for another coaching job. 

 

You're probably right about that part, especially to come to an area like Western NY.

 

But obviously money talks and Josh Allen is still going to be the reason you'll see many coaches lining up and begging for interviews in Buffalo once McD is relieved of his duties compared to the drought years when it was the opposite in terms of trying to attract anyone to coach here.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

When the "fire McD" topic came up after 13 seconds, I mused if the Bills were in a similar situation that Denver was in with John Elway and Dan Reeves.

 

Reeves was a great coach, but couldn't get over the hump. Reeves fired his OC as a scapegoat, and when they canned Reeves, they brought back his fired OC to replace Reeves... The rest is history. 

 

The only guy I saw available at the time who could potentially be an offensive mind to take the Bills further than McD was Doug Pederson. And I think the job he's doing with Jax is proof that he's a solid offensive minded head coach.

 

With that said, I'd rather have Daboll as HC than McD. Would rather spend assets to build the offense around Josh over the next 3-5 seasons than expend so much capital on a McDermott defense that has never played consistently at a championship level. 

 

I also like the idea of bringing in Ben Johnson and giving Josh all the advantages that are being afforded to Jared Goff. That is to say, designing and offense that makes it easy on the QB. That leverages play design to scheme guys open instead of relying on a read and react / option route approach. 

 

I also hope we can get a top 5 wr in this upcoming draft. Someone that has that true #1 potential in all aspects of his game... 

 

 

I wouldn't use the Shanahan comparison with Daboll......first off, to correct you, Wade Phillips replaced Reeves and Shanahan was more than available at the time.........so it's not that they just concluded it was Reeves who should have been canned, not Shanny.

 

When Shanahan eventually replaced Phillips he had just won the SB as the OC of the Niners.  He was the hottest commodity in the sport.

 

Daboll is extremely cold product..........he is proving just how bad he can be as a HC in NYG.   The floor is the basement with that guy at the helm and it would be highly, and unnecessarily risky for an organization like the Bills to settle for that level of coach when you have a QB in his prime. 

[Nineforty]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

If Orlovsky was serious, I wouldnt be against giving him a shot. Although I'd prefer under a new HC.

 

I'd just be shocked if Dan is serious about giving up his cushy commentating job, and time with his young family, to take a miserable coordinating job.

I caught the segment on Pats show yesterday and he specifically said that he would be interested in coaching, but not until his kids get a little bit older, fwiw. 

 

He referenced the cushy job in Bristol as well. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You're probably right about that part, especially to come to an area like Western NY.

 

But obviously money talks and Josh Allen is still going to be the reason you'll see many coaches lining up and begging for interviews in Buffalo once McD is relieved of his duties compared to the drought years when it was the opposite in terms of trying to attract anyone to coach here.

 

 

True........they should have some good options if they choose to change HC's.

 

I will also add a "probably" to my point about leaving LA.   Things can happen.   I am critical of such absolutes...........but I do think he will retire and go into broadcasting before he leaves the comforts of LA for a coaching job.   There was speculation he might quit coaching entirely after he won the SB.    

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Andy Reid.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Heels20X6 said:

Honestly, if Washington doesn't promote him, the right man for the job is Eric Bienemy.  He's from the Reid coaching tree but he's offensively minded.  He can find a decent DC and go from there.

mcd is from the reid tree too

[BuffaloTX]

Anyone who can count to 12 is a good start.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

True........they should have some good options if they choose to change HC's.

 

I will also add a "probably" to my point about leaving LA.   Things can happen.   I am critical of such absolutes...........but I do think he will retire and go into broadcasting before he leaves the comforts of LA for a coaching job.   There was speculation he might quit coaching entirely after he won the SB.    

 

I'm not a fan of absolutes either, but I will say there is NO WAY McVay would come to Buffalo. He'd just retire from coaching, stay in LA, and take $20M/year as a broadcaster.

[cgg716]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Go ahead and find out what happenes

 

People that are crying for McDermott firing. Deserve exactly what they get whenever the next guy that they bring in fizzles it doesn’t bring them near the production.

A defensive head coach, besides Belicheck, who's defense was awful and had Brady, hasn't won an SB since 2016, and even that was an outlier, with Manning. This coach is 30 years behind the times and his game day management is not existent. You're This boards Mcd, your posting not to lose, you're OK with average, all while we have the most talented QB our fan base will ever see

[boyst]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I wouldn't use the Shanahan comparison with Daboll......first off, to correct you, Wade Phillips replaced Reeves and Shanahan was more than available at the time.........so it's not that they just concluded it was Reeves who should have been canned, not Shanny.

 

When Shanahan eventually replaced Phillips he had just won the SB as the OC of the Niners.  He was the hottest commodity in the sport.

 

Daboll is extremely cold product..........he is proving just how bad he can be as a HC in NYG.   The floor is the basement with that guy at the helm and it would be highly, and unnecessarily risky for an organization like the Bills to settle for that level of coach when you have a QB in his prime. 

i'd love to throw money at daboll as OC.

i'd love a perfect world to get phillips 35-40 years younger as DC. schwartz as lb coach, lebeau as db coach while we are at it.

 

but in a realistic world. talk to Daboll. offer him the OC gig and ask his input on HC

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, dbfla10 said:

Is the risk reward of firing McDermott worth it? I don't see a coach out there that is worth the risk of firing McDermott. At the very least he has made the Bills relevant the last 5/6 years. Something the city was craving/needed.

 

Who is out there that would truly make a difference as HC.

 

IMO theres only 1 coach, and thats a trade with the rams for McVay.

 

wow, that's a super high bar

[Antonio]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Vrabel.  His teams are tough nosed and built to play in Buffalo.  He’s won with far worse QB’s than Josh and I think he’s a great fit for the fanbase and for Josh.  

Are the Titans letting him go?

 

Also, we need an Offensive Minded HC. We need to protect our best asset, no more constant changes on offense.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

Ben Johnson 

 

agreed.  But I think the OP is asking if there is a HC (or perhaps former HC) worth going after?  

 

I'd also look at Eric B from Washington, and the OC of Houston, and Kellen Moore from the Chargers (not his fault they don't have a D).  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I have a small list in my head of coaches that I would be interested in. Some first time coaches (like Ben Johnson) some that maybe should see a second chance that would be I feel very unpopular (like Matt Nagy).

 

In any event, it's a moot point as I don't get to interview them and see what their vision is.

No to Matt Nagy, I'd rather keep McDermott for a lifetime before you hire him

[McBean]

1 hour ago, dbfla10 said:

Is the risk reward of firing McDermott worth it? I don't see a coach out there that is worth the risk of firing McDermott. At the very least he has made the Bills relevant the last 5/6 years. Something the city was craving/needed.

 

Who is out there that would truly make a difference as HC.

 

IMO theres only 1 coach, and thats a trade with the rams for McVay.

McVay moving from LA to Buffalo?

 

hahahahahahahahahaha