Second blitz at end of game

[RyanC883]

14 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

Payton and Wilson were ready for it on the second attempt.  A second sack at that point was highly unlikely.  In the context of the moment it was a terrible call. 

 

I generally like aggressive D, but given that payton and wilson are smart and adaptable, I would have shown blitz, then dropped back.  

[boyst]

13 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

That was my entire point… lol

 

 But I’ll play. What was the better call?

Your entire point is analytics without real football insight. 

 

Our attack to the QB sucked. Regardless of blitz or rush. You're also provoking semantics knowing yourself most people don't grasp all the lingo and blitz to most is the same as a rush. You're doing this on purpose knowing better. It's weaksauce. 

 

Further. We couldn't effectively get to rusa. We had a lot of issues in the secondary with communication, as well. We gambled and brought pressure and it was ok. The second time the broncos saw it coming. Anyone did. We don't need % comp rate or anything. 

 

So many of us saw the strategy of how to achieve defensive success just like the chiefs 13 seconds. It's been pointed out so I won't be redundant. 

 

Step down from your perch. Your analysis is fine but on the field it didn't work and was not going to. It is not about hindsight. All game we were missing Wilson and the jackass coach wouldn't and couldn't adapt.

[vanislebills44]

johnson trying to bully a much bigger jeudy off the line was odd

defence was playing well, why not blitz one off the edge n spy wilson..

lutz was shaky all game, force him into a long field goal, the big word being ifffff, they even completed the next play to get into range

in retrospect, if millionaires could count to 11 it would all be for naught

someone please explain to me why a defense is in dime when the other team is kneeling?? rare if ever do teams in fg range with a chance to win try a trick play

certainly there are coverage players on the fg block unit, if i have to try and justify this to my buds at breaky 1 more time i am going to go nuts

10 hours ago, Mantis said:

 

 

[colin]

im good with blitzes, it's part of football.

 

what drives me nuts is how badly we blitz, just don't have any flow to it, never seem to find the open gap, it's like they are so surprised and excited that they are blitzing they just run and bang into whoever is in front of them.

 

there is an art and a science to blitzing, and we don't seem to grasp either.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

42 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I generally like aggressive D, but given that payton and wilson are smart and adaptable, I would have shown blitz, then dropped back.  

 

I don't mind blitzing - but i don't like running the same 0 blitz back to back.  Why not line up in coverage and blitz a corner or something?  

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Right, you fault the D less.  Which puts some blame on the D, which disagrees with your statement that you put it all on the offense.  You’re saying one thing (all on the o) , but then saying something (less fault on the D….but still admitting fault). 
 

Our 5-5 record isn’t because of just one facet of the team.  

I still respectfully disagree.  Bottom line is in all 5 losses the defense did enough for us to win over the course of the game and the offense did not.  
 

The only reason those opponents had a chance to drive and win was because the offense crapped the bed those games.  If Giants score on last play who’s the loss on?  Defense who held the opponent to 15 points or the offense who managed just 14 points at home against the worst team in the NFL?  
 

Our offense has continuously put our severely injured defense in bad positions in every loss and even some of our wins.  
 

If the offense is just normal in the 5 losses then we are undefeated, they didn’t even need to be great, they just needed to not suck.  
 

It’s been by miles the biggest issue of this team this year despite being healthy. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[HoofHearted]

33 minutes ago, boyst said:

Your entire point is analytics without real football insight. 

 

Our attack to the QB sucked. Regardless of blitz or rush. You're also provoking semantics knowing yourself most people don't grasp all the lingo and blitz to most is the same as a rush. You're doing this on purpose knowing better. It's weaksauce. 

 

Further. We couldn't effectively get to rusa. We had a lot of issues in the secondary with communication, as well. We gambled and brought pressure and it was ok. The second time the broncos saw it coming. Anyone did. We don't need % comp rate or anything. 

 

So many of us saw the strategy of how to achieve defensive success just like the chiefs 13 seconds. It's been pointed out so I won't be redundant. 

 

Step down from your perch. Your analysis is fine but on the field it didn't work and was not going to. It is not about hindsight. All game we were missing Wilson and the jackass coach wouldn't and couldn't adapt.

My posts are always about football insight. Not sure what you're getting at in the rest of your incoherent post.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I still respectfully disagree.  Bottom line is in all 5 losses the defense did enough for us to win over the course of the game and the offense did not.  
 

The only reason those opponents had a chance to drive and win was because the offense crapped the bed those games.  If Giants score on last play who’s the loss on?  Defense who held the opponent to 15 points or the offense who managed just 14 points at home against the worst team in the NFL?  
 

Our offense has continuously put our severely injured defense in bad positions in every loss and even some of our wins.  
 

If the offense is just normal in the 5 losses then we are undefeated, they didn’t even need to be great, they just needed to not suck.  
 

It’s been by miles the biggest issue of this team this year despite being healthy. 

The defense did a good enough job vs the pats?  No they did not.  Take away our game…..and the pats have averaged 11.2 points a game.  The patriots scored 14 in the 4th qtr vs us…. 2.8 points more than their season average per game. Our defense DID NOT do enough to win that game.  They failed us.  
 

Denver, they had the lead and couldn’t get off the field Vs the 16th ranked offense to win the game.  The d played solid during the game….but failed when it mattered most. 

I think you mean what you’re saying and I somewhat agree with your premise.  I just think you aren’t totally comprehending what you are saying when you say every loss has been entirely on the offense.  

 

[C.Biscuit97]

I will say and it’s the part that annoys me about sports/ fans. If it works and they sack him or make him throw a pick, we praise McDermott for not being conservative and going for the kill shot. Since it didn’t work, he’s a moron. It’s all reactionary and based on the end result. So it gets pretty stupid at times. 
 

that said, SM does have a bad habit of not being able to close games and it is very worrisome. This was a knock on Reid so it can change (but Reid is such an offensive innovator).

[Snappysnackcakes]

39 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

My posts are always about football insight. Not sure what you're getting at in the rest of your incoherent post.

Tell me about it. I’m becoming increasingly convinced HoofHearted is lightly associated with the team. 

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

Tell me about it. I’m becoming increasingly convinced HoofHearted is lightly associated with the team. 

[MJS]

16 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

If we get a second sack is it a terrible call?

Yes, it is. It was an atrocious call, and I am one of the biggest Sean McDermott apologists. If you really want to blitz, fine, but an all out blitz? He brought 8! That is just stupid. Completely and totally stupid. There is no defense. Especially since he did the same exact thing the previous play so they were ready for it.

 

Does it mean Sean McDermott needs to be fired immediately? No. But it certainly does not help his cause.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Actually I thought it was worse than that. People are criticizing Taron for not turning his head around, fair enuf but the problem occurred long before. Jeudy got about 5 yards of separation on Taron off the snap. I don't think Broncos were throwing up a lollipop looking for a flag. If the ball had not been badly under thrown Jeudy would easily have sailed into the end zone untouched. Taron is a good player that does a lot of things well but I wouldn't see him in man vs Jeudy. He just doesn't have that kind of foot speed to stay with a guy like that. Maybe McD was expecting a crossing pattern where Taron would have a shot but that's not what they called. 
Speaking for myself I would have liked to see another body back there. 

ultimately I think we are fully in agreement just talking about different elements of the play. 
 

id bet a significant sum that the play call was essentially verticals, with the instruction that if they come to pick the mismatch and whatever you do don’t over throw it. 
 

on an island and a 4.4 guy gets his release of the line  - I don’t care if you are the best nickel corner ever… unless you have help, that’s a great matchup for the offense.

 

sure McDermott created pressure but Payton gave every bit of the pressure back with what amounted to a more skilled and more prepared group of players that had the rules in their favor.

 

im not furious or anything but I do think we got one upped on that play by a smart coach-vet qb- good wr putting a decent corner in a very tough spot schematically 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

My posts are always about football insight. Not sure what you're getting at in the rest of your incoherent post.

meh, it's easy to be incoherrent.

 

my point was simple. you are trying to over complicate and explain the problems in a way that isn't valid beyond the stats/paper/etc.

 

in practice the entire game was terrible at generating pressure. there was no need to continue to do something that wasn't working all day even if it was "not the same play as before"

 

that's what people are getting at.

[MarlinTheMagician]

Man, as a fan since the late 1960s, I don't know how anyone can want McDermott fired.  The second half of the sixties, 75% of the seventies, 50% of the 80s and the drought years all stunk to be a Bills fan.  McDermott turned that around and made the playoffs every year but one.  Josh may be hurt and is playing poorly, and some of the core is getting old, some of it is injured.  

 

Coaching change won't help any of that.  Time to retool, not scrap the ship.  Geez.  I appreciate this administration.  IMHO, best in the history of the franchise (including Levy/Polian and Saban -- the only real contenders I believe).

[stlbills13]

Not related to either blitz but didn't want to start a whole thread on it.

 

How many times after a Bills touchdown does our defense give up a big play on the first snap? That game was over as soon as Denver gained like 17 yards on a little dump off on first down. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

The defense did a good enough job vs the pats?  No they did not.  Take away our game…..and the pats have averaged 11.2 points a game.  The patriots scored 14 in the 4th qtr vs us…. 2.8 points more than their season average per game. Our defense DID NOT do enough to win that game.  They failed us.  
 

Denver, they had the lead and couldn’t get off the field Vs the 16th ranked offense to win the game.  The d played solid during the game….but failed when it mattered most. 

I think you mean what you’re saying and I somewhat agree with your premise.  I just think you aren’t totally comprehending what you are saying when you say every loss has been entirely on the offense.  

 

We aren’t far apart…but I’m just more that the offense put the defense in those positions from sucking.  The last 6 weeks the offense is avg 14 points less than the first 4 weeks.  We didn’t lose any games by 14.  
 

If offense was not so anemic last 6 weeks we win all those games despite any defensive struggles is really my side of the convo.  And the offense is healthy and has no excuse where the D is hit hard by injuries.  

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I still respectfully disagree.  Bottom line is in all 5 losses the defense did enough for us to win over the course of the game and the offense did not.  
 

The only reason those opponents had a chance to drive and win was because the offense crapped the bed those games.  If Giants score on last play who’s the loss on?  Defense who held the opponent to 15 points or the offense who managed just 14 points at home against the worst team in the NFL?  
 

Our offense has continuously put our severely injured defense in bad positions in every loss and even some of our wins.  
 

If the offense is just normal in the 5 losses then we are undefeated, they didn’t even need to be great, they just needed to not suck.  
 

It’s been by miles the biggest issue of this team this year despite being healthy. 

Had we lost to the giants I’d be comfortable blaming both. Heck, we won and I think daboll/tyrod was our shining light.

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

We aren’t far apart…but I’m just more that the offense put the defense in those positions from sucking.  The last 6 weeks the offense is avg 14 points less than the first 4 weeks.  We didn’t lose any games by 14.  
 

If offense was not so anemic last 6 weeks we win all those games despite any defensive struggles is really my side of the convo.  And the offense is healthy and has no excuse where the D is hit hard by injuries.  

the offense is getting the worst starting field position in the league. How’s that for complimentary football? 
 

neither side is working and the head coach has plenty of explaining to do.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

We aren’t far apart…but I’m just more that the offense put the defense in those positions from sucking.  The last 6 weeks the offense is avg 14 points less than the first 4 weeks.  We didn’t lose any games by 14.  
 

If offense was not so anemic last 6 weeks we win all those games despite any defensive struggles is really my side of the convo.  And the offense is healthy and has no excuse where the D is hit hard by injuries.  

Whatever floats your boat man.  Seems strange to blame every single loss 💯 on the offense. Can’t subscribe to the defense getting zero blame in the patriot game especially 

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

meh, it's easy to be incoherrent.

 

my point was simple. you are trying to over complicate and explain the problems in a way that isn't valid beyond the stats/paper/etc.

 

in practice the entire game was terrible at generating pressure. there was no need to continue to do something that wasn't working all day even if it was "not the same play as before"

 

that's what people are getting at.

We did generate pressure. Ed was a monster all night. That’s why we didn’t blitz a whole lot. Did you watch the game?